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Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 14 May 11 20:02 BST (UK) »
How about Andrew McKie of Southampton Street Strand?   

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« Reply #28 on: Saturday 14 May 11 22:09 BST (UK) »
There is a 1539 reference in the Registers of the Great Seal of Scotland to a Dundas of Potty, quoted in a book about Dundas of Fingask, the full text of which is on the net.   But where exactly this Potty may have been I can't find out.   I think the Sinclair may be a Sinclair in Potty, and Alexander Clark seems to have known where it might have been.   So it's possible that Petty can be ruled out......

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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 15 May 11 09:57 BST (UK) »
Dr Anderson WAS Alexander Purcell Anderson, it seems - at least a Doctor of that name died in Brighton in 1840.   

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Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 15 May 11 10:21 BST (UK) »
Anderson's will confirms (but you have to go through extra-elaborate trust provisions providing for his wife, who seems to have been a Cathcart, and written in broad pen Gothic script first) his Inverness links - there's a legacy to a widow (maiden name I think had been Denoon) of the minister of Moy, which is more or less the territory of the Mackintosh himself.


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Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 15 May 11 10:55 BST (UK) »
Not that it really matters, but for the sake of completeness about Anderson, he is shown in 1805 in the Sun Insurance records (online catalogue National Archives) as insured at a multi-occupied address in Great Portland Street.   Easy walk from the Haymarket.

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« Reply #32 on: Sunday 15 May 11 12:11 BST (UK) »
Gosh, what an impressive amount of information you've found out in such a short space of time!  Many thanks for the documents.

So you think that Alexander Mackintosh's wife was an Inverness Clark?  In that case, I'm guessing that the couple must have come down to London together.  It is entirely possible that Ewen and any siblings he had were born in Inverness as I do not have a baptism record for him.  When does the Golden Square correspondence date from?

I'm hopeful that, in time, more BMD information will become available.  There are some parish records available online for St. Martin's from the late 1780s onwards but they are patchy.  Death records have been the slowest to appear (which makes sense) and the earliest I currently have is from 1824.  Perhaps one day we will be able to find out when Alexander Mackintosh died and perhaps who his wife was, as well as confirming the deaths in childhood/infancy of the children we mentioned, and identifying the unnamed male infant. 

There is another reference to Alexander Mackintosh here which may or may not interest you (I must confess that I don't fully understand what it is!):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9XiGZosQxBcJ:calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/ArchiveCatalogue/dserve.exe%3FdsqIni%3DDserve.ini%26dsqApp%3DArchive%26dsqCmd%3DBrowse2.tcl%26dsqDb%3DCatalog%26dsqKey%3DRefNo%26dsqItem%3DKP131/3+alexander+mackintosh+sadler+haymarket&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari&source=www.google.co.uk

Other than James who went on to have nine children (seven of them sons), I've so far had little success with tracing any of Ewen and Elizabeth's other children very far.  Mary Ann Clark died a spinster in 1832, quite possibly from cholera as you suggest.  She was a witness at at least two of her brother's weddings.  Catherine Louisa McDermott also died a spinster.  Ewen Clark and Henry Alexander of course went to Mexico but I've not yet managed to access any records there.  John married in the 1820s but appears to have died very shortly afterwards.  Thomas married and had five children but they have proved very difficult to trace. 
Mackintosh - originating from the parish of St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster in the late 1700s and extending to Greater London, Scotland, Jersey and Mexico.

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Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 15 May 11 14:12 BST (UK) »
I can't find any Inverness burgh marriage after 1750 which might be credible -there's an Alexander Mackintosh for whom Scotlandspeople claims there is no wife registered, but when you look at it, there is just a little cross, which might mean, I suppose, that no marriage took place, and he is described as being "in Essich" which is some way out.   Nor is there any Ewen in the baptismal registers, but I didn't try all the possible spellings of Ewen.   I will try again for marriages before 1750.

The document is very interesting in fact.   If you follow it back into the Cambridgeshire catalogue, it appears to relate to the appointment of a Rev James Mackintosh to the Cambridgeshire parish in question who had previously been a vicar in Dominica - unfortunately the way these postings work i don't seem to be able to refer back to it without losing my draft, so apologies for any errors.    I THINK it implies Alexander may have been present at his installation, but I may be mistaken.    My guess would be that the document of the 1780s might represent some sort of financial arrangement that Alexander Mackintosh might have backed, though whether he was making a loan on the security of the advowson to two crafty legal men ( or maybe one, since the underage one was probably the patron), or simply guaranteeing security I don't honestly know.  £950 is a fair chunk of credit.  But it may well be that James Mackintosh was a kinsman of Alexander's.   It looks a bit murky, but the twenty-first century has nothing to teach the eighteenth about squeezing every bit out of every possible asset.  I think, on the strength of the size of the amount in this reference and the Clarks' connection with Coutts, it might be well worth asking them whether Alexander had an account with them.   They do keep what they have.  The worst they can say is "No".

 I am honestly coming to believe that no-one at all in late eighteenth century Inverness was free of some sort of transatlantic connection to the slave economy.  The document's clearly worth following up but I don't know where to start looking for James Mackintosh.  The Bishop of London's papers in the Guildhall archives (or the London Metropolitan archives or Lambeth Palace) might have something about the Dominican end, but the London diocese, which ran the colonies, doesn't seem to have been very interested in ancestry per se, and you have to go along and search, since their online catalogues simply list the collections..   However, there's a wonderful grab-bag of Caribbean material called Caribbeana - a turn of the (twentieth century) genealogical periodical which used to be extremely rare, and has now appeared online from the University of Florida and doesn't hide behind a paywall.   I'll have a look and see if he turns up in Dominica, though it tends to be the bigger islands which crop up more frequently.

I don't have ( or can't find) here my note of the Golden Square address, except that it was in Sherrard Street.   The Cambridgeshire document has him in Haymarket so that puts it back before 1785.  I think the source might be one of the burgh documents and my notes on them are in Inverness.   Did St Martin's cover Golden Square, or might it have been St Anne's Soho?  Sometimes it's worth ringing up Westminster Local History library (if they haven't closed it and sold it off), or their archives.   They seem to have a fair spread of directories for late eighteenth and early nineteenth century London.

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Re: St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 15 May 11 14:32 BST (UK) »
Thinking again about Papworth St Agnes.     It may be that there is nothing to it, but a simpler explanation is always preferable.    The gentleman who is not the Trustee is the patron, still a minor.   James Mackintosh, after what looks like 17 years in Dominica, wanted to come back to Britain.    He has been ordained in East Anglia, so looking for a parish in that general area had seemed a good idea.   The Bishop of Ely would have had to be satisfied he was OK.   Perhaps Alexander Mackintosh acted as his agent and fixed all this, which under some head or other might have involved some sort of fee - possibly a "bung" - to the patron.  Which amounts to an allegation of simony, so I had better cover my back - call it "expenses".   This is still guesswork, of course, and it doesn't explain who James Mackintosh was, but he may well have been born around the late 1740s and I will have a look for him in Inverness.   It's not unusual for Invernessians to turn out to have been Episcopalians, though it's usually the local landowners rather than the merchants, in general, though if you scratch an eighteenth century Inverness merchant you generally find he has landowning kin, and if not kin, ambitions.

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« Reply #35 on: Sunday 15 May 11 17:05 BST (UK) »
James MacIntosh son of John and Christian MacIntosh baptised Inverness in February 1735.   So at least one Alexander MacIntosh in Inverness had a brother James.   Perhaps this might be the right track.  I'll get the document a bit later on and send it.  If this is Rev James MacIntosh, he would have been ordained at 35, and been inducted to Papworth St Agnes, which was a very small parish, with, in the nineteenth century, a living worth around £400, at around 52.