St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster

[Nostalgic_One]

Dear Gabriel,

Apologies for my slow reply.  How have you been getting on?  Were you able to find my tree on Ancestry.co.uk?  (I am not sure whether you can access it without a paid account).  If not, I'll see if I can find another way to get it to you.  I would love to hear from Henry's descendants.  Do feel free to pass on my details.  I am (*).

I don't know much about Manning and Mackintosh I'm afraid, beyond what is recorded in the articles available via a simple Google search, which I'm sure you have found also.  If it's of any interest to you however, I do know that Ewen Clark Mackintosh's father, Ewen Mackintosh, also declared himself bankrupt.  Yet, interestingly, this does not appear to have affected his lifestyle greatly.  He continued to live in his impressive home in Westminster (nextdoor to today's Theatre Royal) and passed his business on to his son James.  I've also often wondered whether Manning was any relation of Cardinal Manning, whose family lived in the small village of Totteridge Hertfordshire where the Mackintoshes later moved. 

I know that Ewen Clark Mackintosh had three sons - Albert Ewen, Charles, and Francesco Xavier (they all came back to England to attend Harrow and are recorded on the school register which is also available on Ancestry.co.uk).  Do you know if he had any further children and what became of them?

Best wishes,

Miranda

(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.

New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
See Help-Page:  http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php

[gabomarca]

Hi Miranda,
The Moderator remove your personal information because of Rootchat privacy. I am new in Rootchat, so I am not available to send you a Personal Message. Could you send me and email with your information, please?

[Fitzhugh]

I found your references here to the Inverness silversmith Robert Anderson, and am hoping someone might help me shed some light on this particular person.  I am trying to research either his son or nephew by the same name, also an Inverness silversmith, who migrated to the United States, arriving in Knoxville, Tennessee by 1819.  So far I can't find any genealogical records on Anderson in Scotland to verify who the younger man actually was in relation to him.  Any assistance in identifying this Scottish-American silversmith would be ever so helpful. 

[achiltibuie]

For Fitzhugh  - you will probably have this, but in case not, the Inverness Hammermen's minutes are available on the Website Am Baillie, and googling Robert Anderson silversmith Inverness will get you there and show you that in 1760 Robert Anderson senior was boxmaster - i.e treasurer - to the hammermen, though he is described as a goldsmith. The Inverness Museum holds samples of his work and his hallmark is online. There is a warrant sale of 1763 of the estate and possessions of John Clark, a farmer at Millburn, Inverness, occasioned by Clark's son-in-law, and executor, a former Bo'ness shipowner, Andrew Anderson, residenter in Leith, who may have been kin to Robert Anderson( who certainly was an incomer to Inverness from Edinburgh) (Inverness Commissary Court Inventory and minute of sale May 1764 CC/11/1/6/106-113, obtainable from Scotlands People) Robert Anderson senior owned property at the south end, east side, of Church Street Inverness, which was purchased by the Inverness Magistrates who were also the promoters of Inverness Royal Academy around 1789 as a possible site for their building, but later in 1789 sold to the gentry who had founded The Northern Meeting in Inverness, and became the site of their Rooms (including their ballroom). This would tend to indicate that Robert Anderson senior was by then dead, and would also seem to conf irm the possibility that a son emigrated.

[achiltibuie]

There is a possible Robert Anderson born to a Robert Anderson and Katherine Hossack in Inverness in 1756.   There had been a Provost Hossack in Inverness in the 1730s who was involved with the arrangements to emigrate Highlanders to Georgia in 1739.   I haven't checked Scotland's People for a record, but the date seems plausible, since Robert Anderson, goldsmith would have taken some time to establish himself with the Hammermen's Corporation.   He was also in the 1760, I think, RWM of one of the two Freemason's Lodges. 

[achiltibuie]

Sorry - the 1756 Robert Anderson born in Inverness to Robert Anderson and Katherine Hossack was the son of a WEAVER, not a goldsmith.   Doesn't stop him being apprenticed to a namesake of course, and since the tax records on apprenticeships survive it might be worth looking.   It might also be worth going through Edinburgh goldsmiths and silversmiths of the 1740s and 1750s, and checking Andersons in Bo'ness, though from the Scotlands People birth lists there were probably more than one Anderson families there.   

[achiltibuie]

More Apologies.   Robert Anderson goldsmith Inverness was NOT an Edinburgh incomer - I had a note he was, but his Testament of 1800 flatly contradicts this. He was the son of James Anderson of Knocknagael, Inverness, and Elizabeth Gordon.   No date of birth given in the Testament and the date of death is left blank in the Inverness Commissariat record.   His brother was James Anderson, shipmaster London, later of the Island of Tortola.  Nephews, sons of James Anderson shipmaster, were Andrew Anderson, planter, late of Tortola, presently in Durham and Dr Alexander Purcell Anderson, physician in Huntingdon.   James Anderson shipmaster and planter is named as Trustee for Janet Anderson, Katherine Anderson otherways Livingston (she had married a baker called Alexander Livingston in Inverness), and Rebecca Anderson lawful children of James Anderson of Knocknagael.    A further Trustee had been James Falconer, late tacksman of Drakies, Inverness.

The main outstanding debt listed in the Inventory was a bond due from Sir Alexander Grant of Dalvey, Jamaica millionaire, a major figure in the slave trade and late MP for the Inverness Burghs
which would seem to have been due to James Anderson of Knocknagael.   

The testament doesn't seem to settle whether or not Robert Anderson had known offspring.

As it happens, the Tortola Andersons were contacts of Alexander Clark, brother of the Inverness paiter and dealer in Greek antiquities, James Clark in Naples.

[Fitzhugh]

Thanks for that clarification.  Now I'm really stumped as to this second generation silversmith by the same name from the same locale.  It would appear he was not a nephew, but still could have been a son?

[achiltibuie]

What were your sources for his Inverness origin and parentage?    There is an issue involving the whole family in Inverness as it then was in 1800 which meant that the surviving sons of James Anderson (Robert's brother) had to register inventories for their (deceased) uncles and aunts in relation to Grant of Dalvey's bond, which probably meant that his estate wasn't paying up and they needed to register a title to it.  None of the inventories,though the Commissaries of Inverness and Edinburgh accept them as testaments dative, has a date of death for any of them, so Robert Anderson probably didn't die in 1800, but at some earlier date - I would guess around 1788 - and there would not necessarily have been a testament as such.   Unfortunately one of the Inverness Burgh registers of Deeds from about that time is missing so even if he registered a disposal of his estate it might not survive.  There is a birth date from Robert's brother, James Anderson (1729), and for a Ludovic Anderson, an elder brother, but none for Robert or, as far as I can see, any sisters.