St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster

[Nostalgic_One]

Very interesting!  I don't think I ever would have got around to looking into that on my own. 

I've searched again for birth records for Ewen Mackintosh in London and for the unnamed infant but without success.  I'm convinced it must be possible somehow to access Central London records from the late 1700s/early 1800s online.  I may make some enquiries this week...

[Allanfearn]

Murphy's Law has struck.  The IGI family search throws up two possible marriage dates for Alexander the saddler's likely parents - 18 February 1727  in Petty and 9 March 1727 in Inverness.    There are also two baptisms of a Christian to them, 7 Sep 1736 and 16 Aug 1742.   But perhaps the IGI transcribers were not all that accurate.   I will have to check the facsimiles of the registers, which can be accessed in Inverness when I get back there.   Interesting if the Petty marriage is right, though as it probably would imply that Christian was from Petty.   I think it might be an idea to let it lie for a day or two - and give you a rest - but I'll come back to it sometime next week.   

[Nostalgic_One]

How annoying!  I've never used the IGI site.  Perhaps I should give it a try.

I'll see what I can come up with this week too.  Funnily enough, I am a member of the bank you mention and will see what their archivist has to say.  I would love to be able to go further with tracing Ewen Clark and Henry Alexander in Mexico so may look into that. 

[Nostalgic_One]

By the way,do  let me know if you come across any references to the Bourchiers (the family of Ewen's wife Elizabeth) in any of the documents you have.  I've been trying to find details of her parentage for ages.

[Allanfearn]

Not knowing anything about them, I thought the Bourchiers would turn out to be Huguenots.   Not a bit of it.   They have a huge English ancestry.   One of them married Oliver Cromwell.   I don't think I'll get past the Wikipedia pages on them for a bit.   But it might be possible to find out what Elizabeth's immediate kin were doing at the time of her marriage.

I think there's just a possibility I may have Alexander the saddler's father's date of birth, thanks to an online partial transcript of the Inverness register by Jane MacGillivray whose main interest is MacGillivray connections.    She has also done  work on the Petty register, also online.   IF it is the right John MacIntosh his father was a James, and brother to Mackintosh of Holm, a smallish Inverness landowner just to the south of the burgh proper, whose family certainly did have MacGillivray connections, and who were involved in burgh affairs over a number of generations (and also in the Darien settlement in Georgia at the end of the 1730s).    But it might be a little time before I can confirm (or not) any of that.   If it does turn out to be right there might be some difficulty explaining how the Clarks came to be connected.   Their mother was, I think, a Mackintosh, but my impression was that she was likely to have been of the Dalmigavie family.   But that bridge will have to be crossed when we come to it.

[Allanfearn]

There's a note above suggesting Elizabeth Bourchier was born in Herefordshire.   For what it's worth Rev Edward Bourchier, who seems to have been involved in some way with an estate at Evesham in Worcestershire, (see London Metropolitan Archives) was a vicar in Hertfordshire, or so it would seem.   Assuming the absence of a misprint in any of this, I wonder if whoever wrote Herefordshire actually meant Hertfordshire?    But the Worcestershire estate(nearer Herefordshire than Hertfordshire) suggests that they probably didn't.  However there  two Revs Edward Bourchiers in two succeeding generations as Rectors of Bramfield, Hertfordshire, and both seem to be well connected by marriage and ancestry - I found this on a website dedicated to identifying all the descendants of William the Conqueror!  I think you indicated where the wedding had taken place, but I'm blowed if I can find it just now.  Could you possibly remind me?

[gabomarca]

Hi everybody, I am a Mexican historian and I am writing a dissertation about Ewen Clark Mackintosh and his relation with national politicians. But I am interested on recopilate information about his family and his origins. I found out this dialogue and I am wonder if you could help me with my research. For example, where can I find information of his family? I read that one of you have a kind of Mackintosh family tree, and I like to know more about Ewen C. Mackintosh family to understand how did he become a merchant? How did he get relation with Baring Brothers? etc. I am jus starting the research on the link with Britain, and I would like to know where I have to start in british files. Thank you
Regard
GMC 

[Nostalgic_One]

Hello GMC,

I was very excited to find your message as I would love to be able to find out more about the later life of Ewen Clark Mackintosh and any descendants he has in Mexico. 

I am the one with the family tree.  Do you have access to the site www.ancestry.co.uk?  It is listed on there as 'The Mackintosh Family of Totteridge Lodge, Hertfordshire' (which was the home of Ewen's brother James) and is fully-referenced.  As you have probably gathered from this thread, Ewen Clark Mackintosh was the son of Ewen Mackintosh, who owned Mackintosh & Co. Saddle Company.  This was passed to him by his father, Alexander Mackintosh.  The family lived in Haymarket in Westminster, London and, prior to that, in Golden Square, Soho, London.  They are believed to have originated from Inverness in Scotland. 

Ewen Clark's brother Henry Alexander Mackintosh also emigrated to Mexico, as did their nephew William Lyster Hay Mackintosh.  I'm afraid I don't know a great deal beyond the details of births, marriages and deaths but am happy to help as much as I can.

Best wishes,

Miranda

[gabomarca]

Hello Miranda,

Thank you very much for your reply. I don't know the site you mention me, but I'll explore it. I'm not really specialist in family trees, but I like to know more about the family Mackintosh. In Mexico I was able to contact a descendant, but not Ewen Clark, apparently from the side of the family of his brother Henry. She had an interest in knowing more about your family, but had no time to investigate. If you want I can contact her, because he did a little family tree with some documentation of the family in Mexico.

Can I check the tree that you elaborated on the website for free? Is there any chance that you share with me the Mackintosh family tree that you elaborated? My interest on Ewen Clark is related to the business and how he joined politics in Mexico and Britain. The importance that he once had in Mexico was key to the office of consul, but I have the impression that his relationship with Baring Brothers and the British bondholders of the Mexican debt were more influential than his success in business. The few investigations about Ewen Clark indicate that he was very unscrupulous.

Although he was very influential in Mexico, he ended in bankruptcy. So two of the biggest problems for me are the absence of family information and the lack of information of the firm Manning and Mackintosh.

Again thank you very much for the information and hopefully we can continue to share information
Regards
Gabriel

Pd. Sorry about my English