Stoney Quarter, Slemish. Robinson

[aghadowey]

Extracted births are not all listed in LDS database- which is where the long list just posted seems to be from.

Since the dates here are fairly recent the solution seems quite simple. Certificates are needed to confirm any relationships.

1) Bella Robinson's birth certificate will list names of both parents. If the birth took place in Scotland it will also show date and place of parents' marriage.

2) parents' marriage certificate should show date and place plus fathers' names and occupations. If the marriage took place in Scotland then mothers' names will also be shown.

3) father's birth certificate will list names of both parents (unless illegitimate) and exact place of birth.

Once these details are confirmed then it will be much easier to try sorting out the Robinson family.

Ballynacaird is the name of a townland. In 1901 census it appears under Slemish D.E.D.

[hazyfor2]

Thank you for all help offered.

Hazel

[scotmum]

To help clarify for others helping with this post and save us doing duplicate searches, can you confirm/correct/add to the following:

1) Bella's (Isabella/Isobel's)  parents were John Robinson and Maggie Montford who married in Broughshane in 1901, and his father was noted as also being called John. If you have this certificate, does it say what occupation John snr had , where he lived and if he was deceased at all at time of his son's marriage?

2) You believe  Bella was born in Broughshane in 1908 and had other siblings born before her there too.  Do you have her birth certificate to confirm this? Does the 1911 Scottish census record her and/or her siblings as having been born in County Antrim? I cannot, at the moment,  find her birth record on Ulster Historical Foundation website.

3) You believe that John, father of Bella, was back visiting in Ireland at time of 1911 census, albeit you believe  his age is slightly out at 39yrs rather than 36yrs (having viewed the transcript and image, both actually clearly show 36yrs), staying in the home of a Samuel Robinson and family. Does the 1911 Census in Scotland only show Maggie and the children in Scotland then? 

[hazyfor2]

Hello Scotmum, you kindly helped me before by finding No. 1) piece of information. How do I go about getting this marriage certificate?

2) How do I get Bella's/Isabella/Isobels's birth certificate?
    The 1911 Scottish census records that her sisters Mary 8,  Maggie 6, and Williemina 1, were born in Scotland and that her brother James,5 and
    herself were born in Ireland. I remember my mother saying the family went between Ireland and Scotland for work.

3) I made an incorrect assumption, before finding the 1911 Scottish census, that John was back visiting Ireland; this must have been another         
    man of the same name.  I was subsequently cheered to find that in 1911 John was living with Maggie and their 5 children in Broxburn,   
    Linlithgowshire; my mother was only 3 then.
    In December of that year, their last child Sarah was born (I don't know if in Scotland or Ireland yet) and that some time after that Maggie left the family on two occasions. Finally John
    had to bring up the 6 children on his own, with the eldest Mary as a mother-figure to the others, whether in Ireland or Scotland I don't know. 
   
    In 2013 I plan to search lists of names from places like childrens' homes and workhouses, as my aunt, wife of the late James (John's son), has told
    me the younger children went into a home while the older ones, such as James, went to relatives.

    Is 'Stoney Quarter', Slemish a name you would be familiar with? I've seen that it's proper name was Ballynacaird.

Thank you for helping.

Regards, Hazel

Moderator's Comment: 1911 census image removed as only small portion for deciphering purposes allowed

[scotmum]

Stoney Quarter lies within the townland of Ballinacaird/Ballynacaird. If you wish, I can send you a copy of a townland map with both Ballinacaird and Stoney Quarter (just below Slemish itself), clearly marked. or you can view other maps at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/map/ (use Ballynacaird spelling in search box).

1)   A copy of the marriage certificate can be obtained from General Records Office, Belfast, or a transcript, via sites such as Ulster Historical Foundation.

2)  Bella's birth is not, at moment, obvious in either Ireland or Scotland. Perhaps, given that her parents do seem to have moved regularly between both, they overlooked registering her?

3)  At least you have now ruled out the John of the same age, who was visiting in Ireland.

[hazyfor2]

Dear Moderator - I thought I had got it right this time with my Census excerpt - I only included the immediate Robinson family. Where did I go wrong?

[hazyfor2]

Dear Scotmum,

I have found my mother's birth registered Apr-June 1908, Ballymena, this is quoted from the Ireland Civil Register Indexes.  To search these free go to www.familysearch.org   It's a site I found which is run by the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.
I knew from her that she was born on 25th March 1908.  According to this record, she was named Bella Montford, which she had originally told us. Maybe the Scottish census enumerator used the fancy name Isabella when told she was called Bella?

Thank you, I would like to see the townland map.

How would I go about getting a copy of the birth certificate? There does not seem to be that facility on the familysearch website.

[scotmum]

Albeit very familiar with the Irish Civil Index on familysearch (having been one of a number of volunteers who transcribed same for the site), I cannot access it on the computer I am using this evening, due to a browser/programme conflict.

Am I understanding correctly that the index has your mum recorded as:

Bella Montford

if so, this would be unusual, in that as her mother was married, you would have expected the birth to be registered in her husband's surname. If registered only in the mother's name, it could be that her husband, John, was not the father. As the birth is not appearing on the rootsireland or ancestryireland websites, you would have to order a copy of the certificate via GRONI, as I also suggested earlier.

[hazyfor2]

I am sorry, I meant that to be Bella Montford Robinson. Montford is one of my Christian names too.

Thank you, I should have realised that I could also order a birth certificate from GRONI that you told me about.

It's wonderful work people like yourself do, transcribing records. I really appreciate it.  I will take the next step of ordering those certificates and hopefully find out more about John Robinson's parents and the Stoney Quarter connection.

How will you send me the townland map?

Hazel