Passenger lists Canada to England 1923 CROSSAN - COMPLETED with Thanks

[Carol47]

I found my Grand Uncle, Henry James CROSSAN, arriving in Quebec Aug 11, 1923, single. I found his name on passenger list of Montclare returning to England 15 Dec 1923. However I have also found a marriage to Josephine Spencer, in Liverpool England (where he lived before and after this trip) dated Jul-Sep 1923 and a child, Harry, born in same period to Josepine Spencer and Henry James Crossan.

On the passenger list for the return trip there is a small 'x' beside the place of embarkation. Does anyone know what the 'x' indicates, eg - Was he a missing passenger? I believe he may have taken an earlier passage back to UK, but I can't find him on the usual lists.  Does anyone know if there are records of people entering England on merchant ships or other vessels which may not usually have taken passengers? 

I realize that there could be more than one Henry James Crossan in Liverpool, and I could order the vital records to find out, but I would like to be more sure, ie find an earlier return trip, before I buy the records.
Any other ideas would be greatfully received

Thanks
 Carol

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[jorose]

Hi, Carol, and welcome to Rootschat!

Normally for those who were booked to sail but didn't board, a line was drawn through the name.
If you have access to the full passenger list, not just the page that Henry is on, you could check if there are others with the same x.

It is also possible, particularly if he was one in a long list of men and the person making up the list was just dittoing down carelessly, that there was a mistake on the first passenger list and he was married before heading to Canada in August.

[t mo]

just to add that when i looked at this earlier today befor it was cropped h j crossan has an occ of ,seaman ,it doesn,t state wether naval or merchant so i,m wondering if this has some bearing on the record
regards
trevor

[t mo]

just looked through immigration and emmigration records an ancestry and find my past and the only definate record is the one which is posted here i,m more inclined to think that he was a merchant seaman that way he could make trips back and forth but not be picked up in the normal way , the biggest problem if he was a merchant seaman is that no seamens records are on line it is possible that either liverpool archives may have some records or be able to point you in the right direction or he could be in the records at southampton records office they have a central index of merchant seamen covering the dates of of hj crossan,s working life i would say or at least most of it . they will do searches for men but at a cost of£15 which will give you up to 3 names of which your looking for .it may be worth e mailing them to find out more about what they hold for merchant navy records the e mail address is city.archives[-- at --]southampton.gov.uk
regards
trevor

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[Carol47]

Thank you all for your useful suggestions and for following up with searches. It is good to know I didn't miss an obvious search result.

I will follow your idea Trevor and contact Liverpool.  On the outgoing papers he called himself a farmer - so perhaps he was whatever was expedient at the time!

Anyway, thanks again for the valuable help.

Carol

[csncs64]

Hi Carol

I have been searching a Henry Crossan, b 1859 Kirkcudbrightshire, and have been "stalking" your various posts across the internet (purely from a research perspective, of course.) I have tried emailing a number of your old email addresses, without any success, I might add, but hopefully we can make contact here.

The Henry Crossan I seek may or may not be your relation but there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest some connection.

If you would like to email me at ^(*) I'll tell you my story. I am keen to known whether your Henry is the person I seek, and if so, really interested to learn of his history.

Cheers
Chris
Hobart, Australia.


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[Carol47]

Glad to hear from you Chris.  I have sent a reply to your personal email.  Carol

[Carol47]

Just in case someone else is interested, Henry married Josephine Spencer in July 1923. He left for Canada in August to work as a farmer in Winnipeg. A week later his son Harry was born in Liverpool. Henry returned to Liverpool in late November, but to his mother's home. He and his wife were divorced and Josephine remarried. My original question is now answered, but now there are many more questions to sort out... many thanks for all the help. Carol47

[Millbrook]

Hi carol
Just read your post reference Henry James crossan. As you appear to have discovered he died in Sydney in 1972,however, even though his death certificate says he was never married, he did marry my grandmother Jane Patterson in Sydney in sept 1925 and our mother was born the following January.  My mother and grandmother left Sydney for England in 1935 and our grandfather was supposed to follow but never did. He corresponded with our mother for some time until the war intervened and nothing further was heard from him. Do you have any information after his family left for England and also which brother are you connected to in the family tree?
We look forward to hearing from you. Ann