Ada Mills

[Valda]

Hi


Who is Albert?


The grandfather of Ada was Thomas Mills who was a porter according to her parents' and her uncle Thomas' marriage certificate.


Regards

Valda

[welshwonder]

sorry Valda I meant to say Alfred he was Thomas's father I think who in turn was the son of Captain John Mills and Isabella Vincent I hope and if that is the case then I have my link ,just as A matter of interest how are you able to look up these records ie marriage cert as I have just joined Ancestry and am really struggling with it all .Regards Fiona

[Valda]

Hi

Experience really.

Have you obtained a copy of Captain John Mills will yet to see if he mentions his grandchildren?


6th February 1808 St Mary, Newington Southwark
Alfred Mills
Priscilla Broad
Bachelor and spinster of the parish
By banns
Both signed
Witnesses W Williams and Sarah Hemp


All Baptised St Saviour Southwark 23rd June 1822
Isaac Mills (born 7th June 1817) parents Alfred and Priscilla, King Street, father's occupation artist
Harriot Mills (born 18th November 1819) parents Alfred and Priscilla, King Street, father's occuaption artist
William Mills (born 16th April 1822) parents Alfred and Priscilla, King Street, father's occupation artist

same church 13th June 1824 born 5th October 1812
Rebeckah Mills parents Alfred and Priscilla, King Street, father's occupation artist

10th February 1811 St Bride Fleet Street City of London born 15th December 1810
Priscilla Agnes Mills parents Alfred and Priscilla, No 9 Wine Office Court Fleet Street


Burial St Peter Walworth 17th December 1833
Alfred Mills aged 56, James Street


1851 census HO107 1567 folio 793
5 Brewhouse Place Newington
Pricilla Mills 68 Head Widow Needlewoman Parish relief Deptford Kent
Harriett Mills 31 Daughter Bed ridden parish relief St George Southwark
 
 
Regards


Valda

[Valda]

Hi


Baptised 15th March 1769 Mission Church Calcutta Bengal Presidency
John Wedderburn MILLS (twin) parents Captain John Mills and Isabella
buried 26th July 1769

Samuel Thomas was the twin - they were baptised aged 3 months


Regards

Valda

[welshwonder]

Thanks Valda

[welshwonder]

Hi Valda, Really struggling with finding info are you able to give me any advise regarding Ada's father James to find out his birth and death ,his father Thomas and his grandfather Albert as I am not sure where to start its just that I am going to London at half term and would like to go and see their graves etc but don't know how to find things I am on ancestry but can't seem to get all the information that everyone else does Thanks Fiona

[Valda]

Hi

Have you obtained a copy of Captain John Mills will yet to see if he mentions his grandchildren?

However, Ada's grandfather according to her uncle Thomas' marriage and her father James' marriage (where they both give their father's name) was called Thomas and a porter by occupation. Uncle Thomas (from his age and information on censuses) was born circa 1821 in St Lukes in the county of Middlesex. Alfred the son of Captain Mills (from Alfred's first and only marriage in 1808, since his widow outlived him and he married as a bachelor) was having children in Southwark in the county of Surrey at this time Isaac 1817, Harriot 1819, William 1822 and Rebekah 1824.
Alfred therefore cannot be Ada's grandfather and the father of Thomas and James, since their father was called Thomas, born probably around circa 1798. Alfred married for the first and only time in 1808 according to his marriage certificate so he cannot be the father of Thomas senior born circa 1798.


Other than the fact that Thomas and his brother James' father was called Thomas and a porter nothing further as yet is known about him apart from the possibility from the 1841 census his wife was called Mary and she was born in Ireland (if this is the correct census entry).

1841 census HO107 688/15 folio 50
George Street Chelsea
Mary Mills 45 born Ireland
Thomas Mills 20 M S
Daniel Mills 15 M S
James Mills 12 Servant?


This means the burial already given at St Luke's Chelsea may be Thomas senior's burial place, though that remains unproven

19th March 1841 St Luke Chelsea
Thomas Mills aged 43 Upper Manor Street


The London burial grounds website gives information and modern day photographs of St Luke's Chelsea. Like many London churchyards land will have been lost to newer buildings and roads and the churchyard turned into a green park area.

http://www.burial.magic-nation.co.uk/bgchelsea.htm


Thomas the porter's son James who married in 1853 may or may not have been dead by 1861 since his daughter Ada was, at least on census night, staying with her uncle and his family.

This is a possibility for her birth registration

Births Dec 1854   
Mills  Ada    Chelsea  1a 122

Do you know whether this is the correct birth registration and if so whether it confirms James was still alive at the time of his daughter's birth registration? If he was still alive then by 1854 central London churchyards had begun to close and the majority of burials were in the new large London cemeteries. Ancesty holds very few cemetery registers which are mostly held by local authorities who now manage them and a few private companies. Between 1854 and 1861, 27 James Mills had their deaths registered in Middlesex. Some of the 1854-1856 burials can be discounted because Ancestry has those burials in churchyards (the last few being buried in them) so you can check against that source to discount those. You could eliminate others at least initially because they are not in the area of Chelsea/Westminster where the family seems to be placed. It still leaves an expensive process trying to eliminate those remaining death registrations which are left purchasing possible death certificates to establish which is the James you are interested in.

The way around this would be to access Ada's documentation from the Muller Home in Bristol since this is likely to give information on her parents and when they died, if both were dead by the time she was sent to the home. This would pinpoint which James Mills death registration was the correct one and which death certificate to obtain to find the exact place of death to help try and establish which cemetery would the most likely one for him to be buried in, or if he died earlier and his daughter was born posthumously which would be the likeliest churchyard (records not held by Ancestry if it is in Westminster).

In trying to obtain all the documentation you would need to begin such a search for James' burial place, you have left it a trifle late for it to arrive in time for any on the ground search at half term.


Regards

Valda

[welshwonder]

Phew ,where do I start ,yes I did get Captain John Mills will but it was so hard to read I have asked a friend if they can have a go at telling me what it says as I can only work out a little of it .
I have got all the documentation from the Muller homes in Bristol it shows that James died on 25/3/1860 in Belgrave but it doesn't say where.
The reason that I thought they were related to Captain Mills was because Ada had a sister Alice who went to live with Daniel Mills who also had Thos baron Mills and Rose Mills therefore Ada's cousins -I have a book that was written by Rose'e husband Percy Broemel which was published by T B Mills and is about Capt Mills + family. Roses's gt gt granddaughter of John and gt granddaughter of Alfred .
Alfred 1776-1833 died in Walworth 7/12/1833 leaving a widow + 6 children the eldest being Thomas ,Roses grandfather, after going to India he married a Miss Haughton an Irish lady their youngest son Daniel became an art expert ,he married twice and Rose was from his second marriage so I therefore put this as James 'brother Daniel.
Hope that I have explained it OK

[Valda]

Hi

This would be James' death registration.

Deaths Mar 1860   MILLS  James    St Geo Han Sq  1a 210

That would be Westminster. You could try contacting Westminster Cemetery office and see whether they have a burial for him.

http://www.westminster.gov.uk/services/communityandliving/burials/



Alfred Mills married Priscilla Broad in 1808. He was a bachelor on his marriage.
Children found so far for Alfred and Priscilla.
Priscilla Agnes 1810
Rebekah 1812
Isaac 1817
Harriot 1819
William 1822



1871 census RG102550 folio 44
New Orphan Houses Bristol
Alice Mills 14 Orphan London Middlesex

possibly in foster care in 1861 in London, though see below about missing sections to the 1861 census?



1851 census HO107 1477 folio 303
27 Union Street Pimlico St George Hanover Square
Daniel Mills 29 Head Married Warehouseman Chelsea Middlesex
Maria Mills 27 Wife Married Chelsea Middlesex
Thomas Mills 5 Son Pimlico Middlesex
Mary Ann Mills 3 Daughter Pimlico Middlesex
James Mills 26 Lodger Unmarried Warehouseman Chelsea Middlesex
2 other lodgers

Areas of the 1861 census for London are lost. Major parts of the census in the Belgrave/Pimlico areas are missing.

1871 census RG10 135 folio 64
8 King Street St James Westminster
Daniel Mills 49 Head Married Porter Chelsea 
May Ann Mills 36 Wife Married Tidenham Gloucestershire
Thos Baron Mills 11 Son Pimlico
Rose Mills 9 Daughter Pimlico

Porter would be the same occupation as his father Thomas.

1881 census RG11 644 folio 137
1 Stanley Terrace Battersea
Mary A. Mills 46 Head Widow Tedenham Gloucestershire
Thomas B. Mills 21 Son Bookseller St George Hanover Square

Rose was working as a servant in London on this census.

Death registration for Daniel

Deaths Sep 1878 
Mills  Daniel  58  Westminster  1a 321

Died 4th July 1878. He left a will proved in the Principal Registry 10th October 1878. He left £450 a reasonable sum.

12th October 1887 St Mary, Battersea
Percy Rudolph Broemel 21 Bachelor Professor of Languages 144 Lavender Hill  Francis Broemel Editor
Rose Mills 20 Spinster 2 St John's Road Daniel Mills Deceased Accountant
Both signed
Witnesses Thomas Baron Mills, Henry Richter, Mary Ann Mills, Harriet E and Francis Broemel

Somewhat elevating of Rose's father's occupation perhaps to match the family she was marrying into. Thomas and his mother were booksellers in Battersea on the 1901 census.


Whatt evidence does the book give for Thomas senior being the son of Alfred Mills? Date place of birth? Mother's name?


Regards

Valda