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Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« on: Saturday 09 April 11 07:40 BST (UK) »
My GGG Grandmother was born in Erith, Kent in Dec, 1850. She married Charles Mullin and lived in San Francisco. I don't know if the marriage took place before or after leaving England. This is all the information I have.
Any additional information would be very greatly apprectated.
Thank you so much for any help or tips.
Patty
Seattle,USA

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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 April 11 07:50 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat Patty.

The marriage does not appear on Freebmd:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Do you know when they went to the USA?
Have you done any searching in the USA for their marriage?
Were their children all born in the USA?

Is it just the marriage you are looking for or are you after other information such as census?

I'm just wondering if this post would be better on the USA board, depending on how much you already know about Charles and Mary Ann? (I suspect Charles to be of Irish descent  ;))

Do you have a date of birth for Charles?

Sorry for bombarding you with so many questions, but the answers may help with the search ...  :)

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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 April 11 08:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for the quick reply! I found the information on Mary Ann White, from an obituary, in a San Francisco newspaper. I haven't been able to find her immigration records. I assume she married after she arrived in the US, but I have no evidence either way. There was an earthquake in San Francisco in 1906. The courthouse where records were kept was destroyed. Therefore, I am unable to search for the marriage record. According to census records, all the children were born in California. Charles was Irish.
I'm just very curious about her. Thanks again!
Patty
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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 April 11 09:12 BST (UK) »
There ia a baptism for Mary Ann WHITE daughter of Henry & Mary Ann 4th April 1852 at Erith
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 April 11 09:19 BST (UK) »
Looking at freeBMD for Mary Ann WHITE births registered in the Dartford registration district (which includes Erith) there are 2 possibles

June quarter of 1849 & March quarter of 1852

So neither quite fit with a birth of December 1850  :-\
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 April 11 14:16 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid there are several Mary A Whites born around the right time in Kent on the 1851 English census.

Do you know the names of Mary's parents?

If not, what did she name her children in case this may give clues about her parents?

There are some US immigration records online but as you can imagine Mary Ann White is a fairly common name. Also the USA board would probably be the best place for a query specific to immigration and marriage.

Do you think Mary and Charles married in San Fran? What year was the first child born?

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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 April 11 02:17 BST (UK) »
First, Thank all of you for the help. Gong through my files again today I found the obituary. This time I magnified a very blurry number and was off by a few days.
(A 3 mistaken for an 8) Her correct date of birth is Jan. 5 1851. I'm so sorry for this error and feel embarrassed to have caused anyone any trouble.  :'(
Mary Ann White married Charles Mullin (Mullen) of Toomore, Cork Ireland. There children are John b. 1871, Mamie b.1872, Charles b. 1874, Catherine White 1874, Clare b. 1875, Helen b. 1886,

I don't know when they were married, but all the children were born in San Francisco. The birth and marriage records were destroy in the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco. I am relying on either newspaper obituaries and death certificates (post 1906).

Thank you so much.  :)

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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 April 11 10:55 BST (UK) »
Did Mary Ann die after 1906? Do you have her death certificate? If so does it say anything about her who her parents are?

I can't see a Mary Ann White birth on FreeBMD registered JFM 1851 in Kent.

Any other clues no matter how small may help locate her.

At the very least we know that Mary Ann was in San Fran by the time John was born in 1871 ...  :-\

Mary Ann should appear on the 1851 English census which was taken on the night of Sunday/Monday 30/31st March 1851. I will try to locate her.

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Re: Mary Ann White 1850, Erith
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 April 11 11:03 BST (UK) »
There are no Mary Ann Whites born in 1851 in Kent on the 1851 census. However there are several 2 month old Mary Ann Whites in the 1851 census who are born elsewhere.

Freebmd has 12 Mary Ann Whites registered in the March 1/4 (that is, born January, February or March) 1851. But none of them are in Kent.

How sure are you that your Mary Ann was born in Kent?  :-\ Maybe the obituary was wrong about her place of birth?  :-\
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