Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane COMPLETED

[portybelle]

Still trying to track down my Patrick/Peter and Eliza prior to their marriage in 1863.

Through the Catholic baptism records I now know that all the previous census info suggested by Rootschatters were correct and have also found another three children born to this couple.

I thought I may possibly have found Patrick/Peter with his mother in 1861 and wanted folks opinions. I have a 17 year old Peter Coyne (on a very difficult to read image) with his mother Mary and two brothers but they are in Manchester St George, not Liverpool.  Could Coyne be misheard for Cain in Irish accent?

Still can't see a possible Eliza pre 1863. Haven't found her death yet either. She is alive in 1881 on census but not in 1891.

Any further help appreciated. Many thanks.

[portybelle]

I am so excited! After over a year of looking I have found Eliza's death in the Catholic burial registers. Can someone tell me if the date on this is likely to be the date of burial or the date of death? Also if, I can match this date up with the BMD lists, would a certificate tell me anything about her parents? I already have names for them (although not her mothers maiden name) from her marriage record.

[blue000125]

Hi i was wondering would McCrann be Another name for McCann

[portybelle]

I don't know for sure but wouldn't be surprised. So many names changed either because they were misheard or the folk just couldn't read or write!

[Blue70]

I am so excited! After over a year of looking I have found Eliza's death in the Catholic burial registers. Can someone tell me if the date on this is likely to be the date of burial or the date of death? Also if, I can match this date up with the BMD lists, would a certificate tell me anything about her parents? I already have names for them (although not her mothers maiden name) from her marriage record.

Hi

The dates in the Liverpool RC burial records are usually dates of burial they are never dates of death. The Death Certificate would not tell you the names of the parents unless one of them was the informant of the death to the registrar.

Blue

[portybelle]

Thanks Blue - have ordered the cert from GRO so crossing my fingers that her husband was the informant! Then at  least I'll know I have the right death although I'm 99% certain that it is.

[portybelle]

Pleased to say that certificate for Eliza Cain arrived this morning and I'm sure it's the right person! The address is slightly different from the 1881 census and the age is out but she was married to Peter Cain (a cooper) and that ties in perfectly with my great great grandparents. Doesn't add much to my knowledge of her but at least I now have a firm date and reason for death. 

Many thanks to all who have offered help here. I've found out so much about this family that I wouldn't have found on my own. 

[Kano1977]

Hi, I too have started trying to research the family tree. I joined Ancestry.co.uk yesterday and luckily enough there seems to have been enough info already on there to take me back to Edward Cain.

My grandfather was Patrick Kane (1906-1966). Skanecfc who posted on ths thread earlier is my 2nd cousin who I met for the first time last year thanks to Facebook!

Portybelle, at the risk of sounding cheeky, would it be possible for you to share what info you have with me too so I can reference it with the info I found on Ancestry? Incidentally, have you been on that site, there are photos of Joseph Cain and Isabella Duncan. I was amazed as Ive never even seen a photo of my grandad, never mind my great grandad!

[portybelle]

It's not cheeky at all to ask - I have found out lots from others on this and other forums. It is quite probably my tree you have seen on ancestry with the photos!

So your grandfather and my nana would were brother and sister - he was my mum's Uncle Sonny. And that makes you and I second cousins as well!

Who was your father then and whereabouts in the world are you? I'm presuming it's your father who is the link since your user name is Kano! If you can send me your email in a personal message (don't put it on the main site) I'll happily send you what I have.

Edit - you haven't made enough posts to use the PM system. Reply to this and one more post and you're there. I'll PM you my email address - I think you can read them, even if you can't send!