Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane COMPLETED

[MaryA]

I'm very surprised that an English marriage certificate gave their mother's names too - were these witnesses or did it actually state that they were the mothers? OK I've looked at the entry in the register online and see that it gives the parents names, what luck! how do you know Mary's name was McCrann? was that from the death certificate in Scotland which gives more information than an English one, don't pin your hopes on very much information being given on the certificate if Elizabeth died in Liverpool.

Can you give the details of the 1891 census, particularly date of birth.

Have you also thought to investigate the witnesses - Wm Keane may be a mis-spelling of Cain/Kane and do you know who Anastasia Habertin is?

[portybelle]

It was lucky to have the parents' names! Yes - I got the McCran surname from Mary Cain's death certificate in Scotland. I am fairly certain that McCran is the correct name as I have Mary Cain with a McCran family on the 1881 census in Leith - I think it's a brother she's with. Then in 1891 she is listed as 'mother' staying with a McGovern family in Bonnington Road, Leith where her daughter's maiden name is Cain. All it says for place of birth is Ireland on the transcript though I will check the original when I'm at the records office. She is age 83 so est birth year of 1808. However, she is listed as only 79 when she died in 1893!

I did think that Keane might be a misspelling of Cain although thought it strange that if it was a brother, for example, that the groom's name would be correct but not the witness! No idea who Anastasia could be. It's a very posh name isn't it?!

[MaryA]

Just as an aside, have you seen these baptisms on the IGI?

Margaret Cain, birth 25 February 1872 BALLINAMEEN, ROS, IRE
Parents Edward Cain and Mary McCrann

Edward Cain birth 10 June 1870
Parents Edward Cain and Mary Crann

Margarita Cain birth 27 February, baptism 2 March 1872 ROMAN CATHOLIC, BREEDOGUE AND  BALLINAMEEN, ROSCOMMON, IRELAND
Parents Edward Cain and Maria Cran

Strange - I think these should be discounted since your Mary would be about 60 years old at the time of these births.

[portybelle]

I hadn't seen these before although the ages don't seem to match as you say.

I realised after I'd posted that I orginally had Mary maiden name from her son Partick death record before I found her death record.

They may not have been in UK until after 1861 of course, just with Patrick and Eliza getting married in 1863 I assumed they would be.

Been searching for Anastasiato see if any clues  but can't find her either!

[skanecfc]

Hello Portybelle, i have also been doing some research recently on the same line as you (Joseph Kane, Peter/Patrick Cain & Eliza Cain) Joseph Kane & Isabella Duncan would of been my grandfather's grandparents, his father was Patrick who would of been your grandmother's brother. I have been in Edinburgh for the past week & visited register house a couple of times. So we are related, i am from London by the way as my grandfather & a brother of his moved down when they were in their late teens (about 18 & 24). If you could assist me with any family trees you may have this would be greatly appreciated.

[portybelle]

Hello - more than happy to share what I have. I will send you a PM with my email address - get in touch. So I think your grandfather would have been my mum's cousin if I'm reading the info correctly - what was his name? The Patrick who was your great grandfather was my mum's Uncle Sonny. No idea why he got called that! I have a few photos I'd be happy to pass on as well. Hope to hear from you.

[MaryA]

Skanecfc can't pick up a private message until they have posted another couple of messages. 

[portybelle]

Thanks but he must have been able to read it - though I know he can't reply - as we have now been in touch via email.

[MaryA]

Oh that's good, merry Christmas