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Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane COMPLETED
« on: Friday 08 April 11 10:20 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find info on my great great grandfather Patrick Cain and his wife Eliza Cullen. I really don't have much to go on. From his death record in 1902, I know he was born around 1845 and his parents were Edward Cain and Mary ms McCran. From the 1891 Scotland census, I have found that he must have moved to Liverpool from Ireland as his children were born there. He is listed as a widower in that year. The census states his place of birth as Drumshanbo. I can't find him or Eliza in the England Census in 1881 but from the age of their children, they must have lived there then, probably in Liverpool. Early in 1900s, the family changed the spelling of their surname to Kane.

I can't find birth records for any of the children, only know the mother's name from their subsequent death records and Patrick's death record. I can't find a marriage for Patrick and ELiza and I can't find a death record for ELiza! Very frustrating. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I have posted this in Leitrum section as well.
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 April 11 10:47 BST (UK) »
from the age of their children

Which children? what dates?
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 April 11 10:55 BST (UK) »
From 1891 Scotland Census the children listed are:

Henry aged 17
Joseph aged 15
Peter aged 13
Elizabeth aged 11

All say born in Liverpool
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 April 11 12:14 BST (UK) »
It does make me wonder if it could be a second marriage for Eliza and perhaps the children are hers and not his. 

One thing you could check is the marriages in Scotland for Patrick Cain of various spellings and an Eliza with any surname and try working things out from there. 

I notice Patrick is a cooper, does he keep this occupation later? Do you have them on the 1901 census?
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)


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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 April 11 12:43 BST (UK) »
When Patrick died in 1902, he was still listed as a cooper. I haven't got a note of the 1901 census for Patrick as I was looking for Joseph at that point. The marriage record of Joseph Cain (my great grandfather) says that Patrick and Eliza were his parents (actually it says Peter Cain but minor error!). Perhaps they were married in Ireland.

Think i'll need another visit to the records office to see if I can get any more clues from the children's records!
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 April 11 12:49 BST (UK) »
No, I don`t think Peter  is a minor error.

Peter Cain and an Eliza Cullin were married in 1863 - see www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

I notice on the 1891 census his age was given as 52 - so born around 1839  not 1845.  Ages on death certificates are not always accurate. 

He is possibly Peter Caine 40 and "married" to a Louisa on the 1881 census.  Occupation Cooper.

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 April 11 12:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that. I'm well and truly confused now! Everywhere else says that the his name is Patrick and as I said, Patrick's death record says he is the widower of Eliza Cullen. This is getting complicated! Think I'd better order that certificate and see if that helps...
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 April 11 13:08 BST (UK) »
Hi,

See also

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcmarriages/

Type in Eliza Cullin or Peter Cain 1863.  Eliza then comes up as Elizabeth in the results.  (I think she may also be Elizabeth in the 1871 census). 

Mo
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)

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Re: Patrick and Eliza Cain/Kane
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 April 11 14:49 BST (UK) »
Thank you - have emailed to get a copy of the details.

Now wondering if Peter perhaps died and Patrick was his brother who
 Eliza(beth) married (or just coincidentally another Cain) who was subsequently widowed.
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling