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Offline Chris101

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marriage certificate term "of the same place"
« on: Thursday 07 April 11 14:51 BST (UK) »
On an 1816 marriage certificate of Gtx3 grandparents in Monmouthshire, the groom is "of this parish" and the bride is "of the same place", with the "of the" part of the former crossed out. In the adjacent marriage entries in the parish register, most couples are "of this parish".

Are the two terms synonymous and the difference is just an idiosyncracy of the priest (it's the same priest for the adjacent marriages), or is there any significance in use of the differing terms? Other details are - the marriage was by Licence, the groom 24 years and the bride 20 years, and the groom was an innkeeper of a large inn (possibly the bride was living/ working there).

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Re: marriage certificate term "of the same place"
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 April 11 00:56 BST (UK) »
Perhaps it meant the groom was a local lad - of the parish, and the bride was just living at the same address - of the same place, but was not a local girl of the parish.

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Re: marriage certificate term "of the same place"
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 April 11 12:36 BST (UK) »
Hi LizzieW
Thanks for the reply, which is more or less my thinking on the issue. In looking on the Internet for an answer, I came across several instances of a variation "of the same place, both of this parish", which again conveys the same address being an answer.

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Re: marriage certificate term "of the same place"
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 April 11 20:01 BST (UK) »
What would often happen is that the couple when applying to marry would say they were living at the same address.  This would mean they would only have to pay for the Banns to be read in one Parish.

I do not think any marriage certificate I have shows the couple living at different addresses and I know they would not have lived together prior to their marriage, but for the saving of a few bob the same address was used.
Fleming (Bristol) Fowler/Brain (Battersea/Bristol)    Simpson (Fulham/Clapham)  Harrison (W.London, Fulham, Clapham)  Earl & Butler  (Dublin,New Ross: Ireland)  Humphrey (All over mainly London) Hill (Reigate, Bletchingly, Redhill: Surrey)
Sell (Herts/Essex/W. London)


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Re: marriage certificate term "of the same place"
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 April 11 23:52 BST (UK) »
I've seen "of the same" which I interpret as meaning "of the same parish".  It just means that's where they say they were living at the time of the marriage.
Chowns in Buckinghamshire
Broad, Eplett & Pope in St Ervan/St Columb Major, Cornwall
Browning & Moore in Cambridge, St Andrew the Less
Emms, Mealing & Purvey in Cotswolds, Gloucestershire
Barnes, Dunt, Gray, Massingham in Norfolk
Higho in London
Matthews & Nash in Whichford, Warwickshire
Smoothy, Willsher in Coggeshall & Chelmsford, Essex