Emigration to Victoria - Thomas MACKEY

[dragonmoon777]

Hi, I need a look-up please.
My Great Grandfather Thomas MACKEY b. abt 1853 Kilduff, Co Limerick, Ireland, emigrated to Australia between abt 1870 and 1882, ending up in Victoria.  I believe he emigrated as an adult (near) and may have arrived with siblings. Unmarried I think as he married in Australia in 1882 (which I know is not always the case).  Other siblings of his also emigrated to NSW and Victoria and different times.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Kindest Regards,
Penny


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[Dundee]

Hi Penny,

There are a number of MACKEYs who came in to NSW from Limerick, some with family details listed on the manifest.  Can you tell us the names of your Thomas's parents and the names of his siblings?

Debra 

[dragonmoon777]

Sure Debra, this is the information I have so far ...

I am researching the Mackey family and Treacy Family – My 2nd Great Grandparents.  The only information I have so far is: Parents Thomas Mackey b. abt 1813 in Limerick (I’m guessing) and Bridget Treacy b. abt 1815 also Limerick (also guessing). Marriage would have been abt 1832 (although I cannot find a record).  All children born between 1833 and 1856 were baptised in Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Limerick.  Kilduff is noted as an address on one of these Baptism Records.  Have found Griffiths Valuations in 1853 for Grean, Kilduff, Limerick, Ireland in the Name of Thomas Mackey. 

Would love to find more information on this couple and further information on the family history. If anyone can point me in the right direction as I live in Australia, I would really appreciate it.

The children:

•   John Mackey b. abt 1833, baptised on 20 Oct 1833 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were Patrick Treacy and Mary Kearney. No further info.

•   Catherine Mackey b. abt 1835, baptised on 1 Mar 1835 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were John Mackey and El Roche. Married William Real 6 Nov 1856 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, address is Kilduff, witnesses were Patrick Ryan and Margaret Treacy no parents names listed. Emigrated to Australia in abt 1857. Both passed away in Victoria, Australia. Had 7 children.

•   Patrick Mackey b. abt 1837, baptised on 13 Aug 1837 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were Edmond Treacy and El Dwyer. No further info.

•   Daniel Mackey b. abt 1842, baptised on 3 Apr 1842 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were William Mackey and Margaret Mackey. Emigrated to Australia in 1862 On board the Ocean Empress with brother William. Occupation: Farm Labourer. Married Bridget Nicholson in 1864 in Sydney, NSW, Australia. Lived in NSW Australia. Passed away in 1874 Victoria, Australia.

•   William Mackey b. abt 1845, baptised on 18 Apr 1845 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were DI Mackey Ca Mackey (abbreviated). Emigrated to Australia in 1862 On board the Ocean Empress with brother Daniel. Occupation: Farm Labourer. Lived in NSW Australia.

•   Bridget Mackey b. abt 1850, baptised on 9 Dec 1850 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were John Mackey and Ca Mackey (abbreviated). No further info.

My Grandfather was Thomas Mackey, he was born abt 1853 in Kilduff, Co Limerick. He was baptised on 24 April 1853 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were Patrick Mackey and Mary Treacy. He emigrated to Australia between 1880-1882.  Married Bridget Christina Burns on 1 May 1882 in St Mary's, Echuca, Victoria, Australia. They had 9 children. He passed away in 1926 at Essendon, Victoria, Australia.

•   Edmond Mackey b. abt 1856, baptised on 20 Apr 1856 at Pallasgrean & Templebredon, Co Limerick, Ireland and Godparents were Patrick MacKey and Bridget Ryan. Emigrated to Australia in 1873 On board the Great Britain. Married Julia Ann Blanchfield Briscoe in 1881 Armidale, New South Wales, Australia. Had 8 children.  Passed away in 1906 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia.

Any information anyone might have on this family would be very welcome.  I am also quite happy to share any information I have.

Kindest Regards,
Penny

[RalphMackey]

Hi,
Firstly I don't have any information directly about your line but can share general information on the Mackey families between County Tipperary, Limerick and Clare. I have researched a lot of the deep origins of the Mackey Sept and more recently, as a Mackey myself, have had a detailed Y DNA test done which I can share.  So if any males of your Mackey line had their Y-DNA done I would be keen to contact them?
Now about the Mackeys in general. Firstly, there are Mackeys and there are Mackeys and the later are not related. Basically, the former, my group are an Irish Sept.
The latter Mackeys, who are amply represented in the Mackay and McGee Group projects are typified as Ulster Scots. Descendants of persons from Scotland who arrived in Ulster as part of the 16th and 17th Century Ulster Plantation.
Regardless common variations are MacKay, Mackie, McKay, Mackeiy, Mackeyy, Mackeye, McKey, Makey, Macke, Macky, Kee, Key. But it would seem that my Mackey line is the product of a none parental event (NPE) which seems to involve a Connor (1650s) and in turn a Daly (1450s).
The Irish Mackeys point of historical origin was in and around Ballymackey Civil Parish, Baile Uí Mhacaí,  in County Tipperary with an area of 39.3 km² / 9,714.2 acres / 15.2 square miles.
Ballymackey on the map:
See https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/ballymackey2/
Ballymackey literally translates as the farmland of the Mackeys. The location Ballymackey, the earlier references in its Irish form, is mentioned in various records starting around the 1400s. Of genealogical interest is the listing of in the 1659 Census 6 Mackey households reported in Kilnamanagh Baroney several kilometres due south of Ballymackey.
Historically my Mackey ancestors from their historical centre in Tipperary followed a geographical arc through Limerick and ended up westward in NE County Clare. Around C. 1650 there appears to be a NPE involving a Connor somewhere along that arc. Hence my interest in your Limerick Mackey line. Likewise your Mackeys most likely were part of the Cromwellian diaspora as well but ended up in Limerick.
Tracing back in time from what I know of my direct line, my earliest documented Mackey direct male ancestor is a Michael Mackey who in 1824 is listed as a hedge schoolteacher at Ballydoora, Carran Civil Parish, County Clare Ireland. Previous to 1830 when schools were nationalised in Ireland the various denominations ran schools. The hedge schools were funded by the Catholic church.
Ballydoora on the map:
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/burren/carran/castletown/ballydoora/
I have strong reason to believe that Michael was not actually from Ballydoora but most likely descended from one of the Mackey multi-generational clusters westward around Kilfenora, north around Ballyvaughan or more likely south around Corofin and Ennis. One of my first DNA goals is to find which group of Mackeys he came from and find living Mackey descendants for DNA testing.
The other more immediate focus is looking at what the Connor and Mackey close relationship could tell us.
As an aside I am quite an experienced Irish Family Historian and would happily help to untangle any Irish research challenges you may have.

Regards
Ralph Mackey
Perth, Australia

[Ada Zeeks]

Hi everyone
there is a resource online in Australia called PROV - it is the records of Victoria.  There IS a Mackey family that looks like they came to Australia but to VDL (Van Diemen's Land... now known as Tasmania).

If you ARE overseas, please look at Google Maps, the ports for Tasmania, Adelaide Melbourne and Sydney are relatively close.  Some families DID arrive at a different port because it was a shorter waiting list.  Look at ALL the records in Australia to find the family - including Western Australia.

https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/coastal-passenger-lists-1852

Above is a link to ships within Australia - there are TWO THOMAS Mackeys in that specific time period.  BOTH are travelling from within Australia.  The Thomas Mackey who was in Tasmania COULD be the one you are looking for - be flexible with ages, not everyone knew their true age and some said they were younger/older to suit the circumstance.  The Thomas Mackey on this list is on the ship DERWENT.

https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/A140CB42-FA01-11E9-AE98-8D6E040E0F6B?image=30


You mention some of the Mackey's arrived at different times - to me, I believe that means they were 'assisted' or sponsored from their friends or family in Australia.  They will be under ASSISTED immigrants - depending on the year.  National Archives of Australia do have immigrant records, but the year range is incomplete.  PROV has immigrants too, but you will only be looking at arrivals to Victoria.

Search the PROV link and also the National Australian Archives and JUST search MACKIE or MACKEY  NO first name, put in a year range and see if any of the names help.  Finding another relative can actually help you because you can get a feel for when people came across.   These are searching MACKEY - no first name but in the year range you speak of.  Note there are many women  - THEY probably have the children with them, you can click on the ship link and it will give the handwritten log of who was on the ship.

https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists

Hope this helps, please ask if we can search more.
Katherine

[RalphMackey]

Hi Katherine,
Great advice and links for all thanks. I omitted to mention in my previous post that although I mentioned my Mackey line in the context of County Clare they were in fact a family of siblings that came out at different times via chain migration to Tasmania. If anyone is working on a Mackey family in Tasmania I am more then happy to share the extensive records, photos etc. I have on them that I have been collecting since the 1970s.

Regards
Ralph Mackey
Perth Australia

[Ada Zeeks]

Hi Ralph
That's fine, I make mistakes all the time with a brain injury so misread things  a LOT.

Oh my goodness, I just giggled way too hard.  I was going to suggest you look at the County Clare Library for donated material.... but you have done that already AND donated material yourself. 

Then I look at your comment again and realise we live in the same town... Perth...  but now I HAVE to know, did one of your Mackey women marry a Kelly here in Perth in the 1960s?  I have a feeling my uncle married a Mackey.  Possibly a Joan from memory.  I will grab my research book.
Cheers, Katherine