Bute Town, Glamorgan

[Johnsam93]

I need some guidance please as I think have found an ancestor in 1911 census, only place for her birth is a little smugged, but think it is Bute Town, Glamorgan.

I was then pointed to Bute Town in Cardiff, buy now I have also found out that there maybe another Butetown in Gelligaer, Merthyr Tydfil. 

Is this correct at all?

If not will have to look for her birth record in Cardiff area.

Thanks for any input.

[CaroleW]

Was she born before the 1901 census?  If so - birthplace may be clearer on the 1901

[Johnsam93]

Yes, she was born in 1899, but have been unable to ascertain her parents, although I think her father was William Evans who was deceased by time of her marriage in 1909.

So I suppose, will have to see whether both in 1891 and 1901 census have records of a Mary Evans with father of William, but with birth town of either Cardiff or around Merthyr Tydfil area and see what come sup although I have done this and found nothing that near matches so far.

With such common names I think I might struggle here.

Thanks for your input CaroleW.

[CaroleW]

Hi

Yes, she was born in 1899, but have been unable to ascertain her parents, although I think her father was William Evans who was deceased by time of her marriage in 1909.

I don't think she married at 10yrs of age - did you mean 1889 as her birthyear?

If you have a copy of her marriage cert - can you give the following info:

Who did she marry in 1909

What was her fathers occupation

Were either of the witnesses surname Evans

[Johnsam93]

Hi CaroleW,

Yes sorry, finger trouble as usual she was born around 1889 according to 1911 census records and also her marriage certificate details back this up.  I will give all details from marriage to David Richards below, but no Evans as witnesses I am afraid.

Here goes:

Bedwelty district Registry Office:  On 1st June 1909

Mary Hannah Evans (I think it was Hannah as her middle name) aged 19yrs and spinster with fathers name William Evans (Deceased) coal miner. Address at marriage 3 Morgans Row, Rhymney, Monmouthshire.

Married

David Richards aged 20 yrs and Bachelor with fathers name of John Richards also a coal miner.  Address at marriage 35 Bryn Seion Street, Rhymney, Monmouthshire.

Witnesses - Henry Howard Greenhouse and Hannah Maria Beddoe

I think that is everything.

John

[Dannemois]

Check early census retuns and you will find there is a Butetown in Brithdir Hamlet which is in the Rhymney area. 

[osprey]

how about this one?

1891 2 Bute Town, Brithdir, Gelligaer RG12/4431 folio 5 pg 3
William Evans head mar 23 coal miner b. Monmouthshire, Rhymney
Ellen wife 20 b. Brecon
Thomas John son 2 b. Gelligaer
Mary Hanah dau 1 b. Gelligaer

[Johnsam93]

Thank you both, Dannemois and Osprey for your valuable contributions.  This Bute Town, Brithdir in Gelligaer region sound very plausible, especially as I think it is in Glamorgan at time of 1901 etc. which will be good as the other Bute Town near Rhymney to north of town I think is in Monmouthshire just the other side of the river Rhymney which I think divides the then counties.

The two are only about 10 miles apart up/down the valley to each other which also make sense for the two people to meet each other etc.

Thank you both for info especially census records, although I wasn't asking for you to do the work for me, was just trying to ascertain whether there was another Bute Town in Glamorgan other than one in Cardiff and you all have answered my questions.

Also I think in 1911 census they may have put Bute Town, Cardiff if Cardiff was the birthplace rather than further north.

Thank you so much all.  It is fascinating especially when you do not know the area and a few options come about from your research and require some assistance to unravel the details.

John

[Johnsam93]

Hi CaroleW,

Yes sorry, finger trouble as usual she was born around 1889 according to 1911 census records and also her marriage certificate details back this up.  I will give all details from marriage to David Richards below, but no Evans as witnesses I am afraid.

Here goes:

Bedwelty district Registry Office:  On 1st June 1909

Mary Hannah Evans (I think it was Hannah as her middle name) aged 19yrs and spinster with fathers name William Evans (Deceased) coal miner. Address at marriage 3 Morgans Row, Rhymney, Monmouthshire.

Married

David Richards aged 20 yrs and Bachelor with fathers name of John Richards also a coal miner.  Address at marriage 35 Bryn Seion Street, Rhymney, Monmouthshire.

Witnesses - Henry Howard Greenhouse and Hannah Maria Beddoe

I think that is everything.

John

Hi Carole,

Just thought would update you. Went back in 1911 census but for 35 Bryn address this time and think his father John Richards still lives there. but with a new wife.  Has given a couple of other siblings also and a new step child too.  I am getting there gradually, thanks to your help.

Many thanks again.

John