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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #27 on: Friday 15 July 11 00:51 BST (UK) »
The Belfast Newsletter contains a few potential-full references ...
[Ref: http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/Search.cgi ]

Docid: 266254
22-APR-1794 P3
    Matthew LOUGH of Carnmoney,
    (?) offering a reward for a stolen horse.

Docid: 31568
08-AUG-1760 P3
    James BOYD & William LOUGH,
    (?) attending a brown linen producers meeting at Ballyclare.


You'll need to source full copies of the original texts to ensure unambiguous facts.
[e.g. from the British Library's Newspaper Collection at Colindale.]
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #28 on: Friday 29 July 11 08:22 BST (UK) »
Silverfox

I am holding on to your shirt tail...sorry...... as your James could well be a brother of my William.

My family also had children registered in Doagh living at Kingsmoss along with all the other family members married into etc etc.

I have my fingers crossed

Steve

I think you must've known my Palmer family who lived in Kingsbog in 1901 - Samuel Palmer the stationmaster - when he was killed on the railway the newspaper reported that a Boyd - I would have to look up her name [I would like to know more about them] - gave him a  bottle of milk at the gates as per usual in the morning and he was his cheery self.  Would you have heard of the Palmers?
Palmer Website: www.davyboynorth.f2s.com/SamPalmer/00]SamPalmerStory.asp
Palmers, Barrs and McGarrys from Antrim/Ballyrobin/Muckamore/Crumlin
McAleaveys from Forkhill Co Armagh and then Whitewell/Glengormley
Traynors/Trainor from Larne then Whitewell/Glengormley also Glasgow

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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 31 July 11 15:51 BST (UK) »
Hi!
Thanks for contacting me.
I am sorry to say I have very little information on my 'Boyds' other than my great grandfather Edward who was born around 1825 and who moved to Stevenston, Ayrshire prior to the 1901 census with his family. His father was called James and they came from Kingsbog.  Other than that I am unabale to help but I am continuing my search.
Regards
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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 08 October 11 08:22 BST (UK) »
This is a message to anyone who may be able to help.
My "Boyd" family history centres on Kingsbog, Ballylinney.
Certificates show that my grandfather was born at Kingsbog in 1881.  my great grandfather was married from there in 1876 (married at the Independent Meeting House, Straid) to Rachel Lough.
William Lough (Rachel's father) owned land at Kingsbog and his will indiicated that he left Rachel property (1902).  'Griffin' shows that James Boyd both rented from Hugh De Bois and rented to Rose Stewart at Kingsbog, I think he was my great, great grandfather.  Robert Kane also owned land there and he may be a relative (father/brother) of my great, great grandmother, Jane/Jennet Kane who mariied James Boyd, 1837, at Prebyterian Church, Ballylinney.
I am looking for information re the history of Kingsbog and the community and whether Edward Boyd born 1853 had any siblings.
I am visiting Kinsbog very soon to have a look and perhaps get a feel of the place.
I would be very grateful for any assistance.
Thanks
Silverofoxo


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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 12 October 11 02:06 BST (UK) »
SF,

I've had some fun recently chasing down the 17thC history of the BOYDs in Ayrshire & Count Down. Powerful stuff.
[Felt the hand of history on my shoulder as I chased it through!]

The BOYD power base was at Deans Castle (Kilmarnock).
However, they also had a commanding seaside fort at Portencross (West Kilbride).

A natural son of the family (legitimised later), Colonel David BOYD, was granted lands at Tourgill near Largs, Ayrshire, in 1598 by King James VI.
[His stronghold was in the Brisbane Glen (Noddesdale Water) just a couple of miles NE of Largs. 
 Hmm, the hamlets of Whittlieburn lie there ...]

The BOYDs had fought a more-than-100-year-long local feud with the MONTGOMERYs.
This was finally resolved, and a mutual protection pact agreed.

Col. David BOYD had served in Holland, supporting William I of Orange against King Louis of France.
Hugh MONTGOMERY, of Braidstane (near Beith, Ayrshire), had also served with the Dutch forces at the same time.
[He was to become the famous big pal of King James.
 The family held their lands in the barony of Giffen, such dating from Norman times.]

When Arthur CHICHESTER at Carrickfergus imprisoned Conn O'NEILL (looking to benefit from being granted his lands in Upper Clandeboye), Hugh MONTGOMERY engineered his clandestine release, bringing him over the water to Braidstane, promising to intercede with King James.

The upshot was that Conn was granted a royal pardon, but had to give up 2/3rds of his lands.
One third part went to MONTGOMERY.
The other third to his rival HAMILTON.
[He originated from the nearby village of Dunlop,
  where his father was the first Protestant minister.]

There is a nice old map of the area.
[Ref: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Robertsonscunn2.jpg
 You can see Beith, Dunlop, and Eglinton (a later MONTGOMERY seat) there.
 Also Portencross, Largs and Skelmorlie (a 20thC MONTGOMERY seat).]

MONTGOMERY went in to County Down in 1606, creating Port MONTGOMERY (Donaghadee) and "New Toun, Ards" (Newtownards).


He was accompanied by several gentlemen, including Hugh HAMILL (of Roughwood, near Beith) and David BOYD.

David BOYD had been granted lands in Ballycastle townland, South of Newtownards.
[This is just to the North of present-day Mount Stewart.
 His seat is reckoned to have been where the impressive Ballycastle B&B is now located.]

Just to the North lay the Ballyblack and Crossnamuckley townlands, in which BOYDs and WHITLEYs are known to be extant later.
[Griffith's Valuation, 1864.]


The MONTGOMERY estates in Co. Down passed out of the family in 1770, transferring to the Hugenot De La CHEROIS family of Lisburn (cousins of Louis CROMMELIN), who eventually built Carrowdore castle in 1818.
[Situate on the spine of the Ards peninsula, roughly mid-way between Greyabbey and Millisle.
 A large quarry is a major feature of the village.]

Perhaps as a result of these timings and costs, some turmoil may have ensued w.r.t. land tenures and rents.

?Enough to make some tenants up stakes and move (e.g. to Carnmoney!).
[Especially ones with stone quarrying/building skills  ...]

'Tis only a theory, but the evidence is growing ...
[Thanks for inspiring me!]

Any MONTGOMERY ancestry would be interesting to chase down.
They were co-controllers of Normandy with Willie the Conq in 1066!
[Hmm, some such folks lived beside the railway at the Moss ...]


Here followeth the usual Blight of the URLs:

http://www.clanboyd.info/outsideusa/scotland/
http://clydesburn.blogspot.com/2010/11/colonel-david-boyd-of-tourgill.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyd,_5th_Lord_Boyd
http://www.clanboyd.info/outsideusa/scotland/kilmarnockboyds2/index.htm
http://www.discovernorthernireland.com/Ballycastle-House-Newtownards-P3609

http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch/view/?sid=74933242
http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch/view/?sid=74933236

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Montgomery,_1st_Viscount_Montgomery
http://www.scotsconnection.com/clan_crests/Montgomery.htm
http://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2010/11/earldom-of-mount-alexander.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1289541/Skelmorlie-Original-Walter-Smart-History-1968

... and of course, the marvellous source of migration flow & settlement maps ...

http://www.HamiltonMontgomery1606.com/

Capt. Jock

P.S. Wednesday is "locals" night at the pub! Knowledge might be encouraged to flow ...
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #32 on: Monday 17 October 11 16:54 BST (UK) »
SF,

Have sent you a couple of PMs re local info/contacts.

Particularly the BOYD, DUBOIS and LOUGH (now McCLEAN) families.
The KANE name appears not be known in the area nowadays.

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The MONTGOMERY connection just got very interesting.
They held the ancient lordship of Giffen, near Beith in Ayrshire.

One of their number scarpered to Carnmoney in the 1730s.
[The clan had supported the 1715 Jacobite cause, as had Lord MONTGOMERY of Mount Alexander (near Comber) - Hugh MONTGOMERY's grandson - in 1688.]

This new Carnmoney resident changed his name to GIFFEN, perhaps to escape attention.

[One of his descendants was William Fee McKINNEY of Sentry Hill.
 His paternal-line ancestor, James MacCONNIAGH, had fought at Sheriffmuir in 1715, subsequently having his lands attainted, so also "emigrated" to Ulster soon after.]

Ref:

William Fee McKINNEY of Sentry Hill: his family and friends
Chapter 11: The McKenzies
Chapter 13: The Montgomerys of Giffen
Mrs. I.R. CROZIER 1985
ISBN 0 9481 54 00 4

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Best of luck on the visit!

Capt. Jock

WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 02 February 12 19:01 GMT (UK) »
I have now confirmed that my great great grandfather James Boyd married Jennet Kane at Ballylinny Presyterian Church on 05/09/1837. My  great grandfather Edward Boyd was born around 1853 and I assume within the Kingsbog Townland.  So far I have been unable to identify if Edward had any brothers &/or sisters and any further information on his parents other than Jennet Kane born around 1816.
Any information available?
Silverofoxo

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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 20 November 12 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'd be interested to hear what you found with this line as I think we may have a common ancestor in Edward Boyd who my father may have been named after. I in was named after Rachel Lough.

Rachel

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Re: William Boyd 1881 Doagh
« Reply #35 on: Monday 01 April 13 17:54 BST (UK) »
James Boyd and Jennet Kane had 4 children that I know of:  James b 1845 Antrim; Sarah (my g-grandmother) b Dec 1848 Ballintoy d 8 Aug 1930 St. Paul, Minnesota USA; Robert b 1849 Antrim d Dec 1923 Antrim; and Edward b 1853 Ballylinny d 19 Dec 1926 Stevenston.

Edward had a child born Ballylinny 1899 and was in Stevenston, Ayrshire Scotland for the 1901 Census, so that narrows down the timeframe for his move to Scotland.

Do you have a year of birth for Rachel Lough?  We have two possibilities but both are suspect.  Also, I have their son John born 24 May in Antrim, but I dont have the year.  Can you help?