magnum bonum, sans pareil, nec plus ultra

[Redroger]

Generally the case, specially if the Duke, or a military commander gave money to his men on condition they founded a pub with his name.

[bykerlads]

With ref. the owners' names on the map- do we know if these men owned other quarries elsewhere?
Also, did they live at Magnum or nearby i can't recall seeing their names on census docs. but would need to look again to be sure.

[Redroger]

By the look of the enclosure map, there were no dwellings nearby.

[Holmemoss]

There is a Duke of Leeds pub in New Mill which is not far from Cartworth/Hade Edge.

[PAR1704]

My 3G Grandfather was John Mitchell, born ca 1799 in Rastrick. He was still in the area in 1824 when he married but was at Magnum Bonum in 1841.

At least some of the quarries were owned by a Mitchell family, no relation as far as I am aware, who then owned the quarry at the Sovereign, Shepley after the Magnum quarries closed.

Said John Mitchell was the g-gf of my g-gf Alexander Richardson. I have a tape recording of him, made in 1974 when he was 78, talking about his mother's family, the Stirks/Mitchells, who worked in the quarries. AR said that the family had owned quarries in Yorkshire/Co Durham, but that another branch had swindled his line out of ownership.

[Redroger]

My 3G Grandfather was John Mitchell, born ca 1799 in Rastrick. He was still in the area in 1824 when he married but was at Magnum Bonum in 1841.

At least some of the quarries were owned by a Mitchell family, no relation as far as I am aware, who then owned the quarry at the Sovereign, Shepley after the Magnum quarries closed.

Said John Mitchell was the g-gf of my g-gf Alexander Richardson. I have a tape recording of him, made in 1974 when he was 78, talking about his mother's family, the Stirks/Mitchells, who worked in the quarries. AR said that the family had owned quarries in Yorkshire/Co Durham, but that another branch had swindled his line out of ownership.

They were and are very good at that sort of thing.

[bykerlads]

The Stirks and the Mitchells seem to have got together quite early on in the story of Magnum: by 1851 Joseph Stirk is living at the Terrace Hade Edge with his wife Amanda ( dghtr of George Mtichell) + baby Frederick Mitchell.
( The Terrace is where my father was born and where I lived as a small child)
My tenuous link with the Stirks is via my geat-aunt Hannah Briggs b.1901 who m'd Arnold Stirk. Both are buried at Hade Edge.
Arnold was the son of John S. b.1874, whose father was Seth b. Holmfirth.By 1861 Seth was in Wolsingham, Durham with his parents Abraham and Martha.( hope I'm accurate here, am just referrin gto sketchy notes I made a while ago)
I think there must have been "a bit of brass" ( ££) in that branch of the family because Arnold and Hannah lived in a big house at Hade Edge in the mid-20C and, I think owned the 3 houses at The Terrace.
I'd be interested to know when and why Arnold returned to Hade Edge.

[PAR1704]

From memory, my g-gf mentioned a big fall-out over money when his Grandmother Stirk died. He didn't say how much cash/property was involved, but he did state that his mother (Edith nee Stirk) felt cheated.

[bykerlads]

Fallings-out + ill-feeling over wills and money were a constant theme of grown-ups' conversations when I was a child, especially amongst the Hade Edge folk.
As children in the 1950's, we were of course expected to sit quietly with a book or the button box for entertainment whilst adults chatted round the tea-table. I don't think we understood much of what was said then but I remembered a lot and  now it all helps to create a picture of the family's past.