Heward in Holme/Holmfirth

[DigleyMill]

Hi Holmemoss

Sorry to join this discussion so late, but I've only just joined this forum today.

I did some work on the Howards/Hewards of Holme a few months ago, listing all the baptisms from the Almondbury (and Kirkburton) parish records and grouping them together into probable family groups. Amongst other things, it showed a clear group of families descended from John Howard and Sarah Bennet of Holmewoods, and also how the names Howard, Heywood, and Heward seem to have been interchangeable, as noted by others earlier in this discussion.

The data is on an excel spreadsheet and I'd be happy to share it with you, although I'm not sure how to exchange files via messaging forums and don't want to publish it openly. Perhaps you could advise, if you're interested?

Incidentally, and off topic, I'm also interested in John Mitchell and Ann Flather (they are direct ancestors of mine and I found this forum by a link to your discussion about John Mitchell's missing baptism record in Rastrick) and would be interested in sharing information about them. Nothing I can add about John Mitchell, but I've done a similar analysis for baptisms and marriages of the Flathers in Halifax/Northowram which you might find of interest.

[bykerlads]

Are you linked via John Mitchell to the delvers /quarrymen of Hade Edge? I think you probably will be- which of the original Hade Edge/Magnum families do you have in your tree?
We have Briggs + Sykes ( directly from Elland) then the Schofields, Mitchells, Stirks et al.

[DigleyMill]

Hi

I have John Mitchell b.1799 in Rastrick as a 3x ggf; his spouse Ann Flather b.1798 in Northowram (and their offspring); plus John Turner b. 1822 in Elland (my 2x ggf) who married the Mitchells' daughter Emma.

Most of my tree has been published as a public member tree on ancestry.co.uk ("sandford_lawton_bamforth") - see http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/15232177/person/233182822?ftm=1 for John Turner

But that version is now a little out of date as I've started looking at it again recently with the benefit of the new online parish records from West Yorkshire archives.

John Turner is particularly interesting as he seems to have started out as a quarry labourer but build up to become a stone merchant and "quarry owner" at Magnum by the 1871 census.

The history and families of Magnum seems a pretty interesting topic in its own right - has there been a separate thread on it here at any time? If not, I'd be happy to start one.

[drodgers34]

Peasants and Clothiers by Holmirth High School has a section on Magnum

Funny story but when I first started cataloguing the Holme Parish census It took me ages to find Mount Pleasant and Magnum Bonum

Another area of interest was the building of the yateholme valley reservoirs.  Ramsden, which was almost deserted up till 1880, becomes a large settlement of Navvies in 1881 and 1891, then deserted again in 1901 - along with all the other settlements in that area

Several large families (mostly Howards) would have mde it a very busy place to be !

[bykerlads]

Digley, I think |I might have posted about Magnum in the past but can't recall the details.
"Holmemoss" and myself seem to be the main rootschatters with a connection there.
In 1861 my ancestor Jonathan Briggs 25 unm. b. Elland, quarryman was a Lodger with the widowed Ann Mitchell b. Northowram , along with fellow lodger Soloman Greaves. Ann would be, I guess, your Ann nee Flather widow of John Mitchell.
My Jonathan must have followed his delver brother Joseph from the Elland flags to Magnum to find work. He is my gggrandfather.

[DigleyMill]

I did find the earlier post about magnum last night by searching the forum. It had a discussion about the origin of the french names for the quarries.

I have a bit of info which may or may not be new to you, and will add it to that earlier post 

[bykerlads]

Thanks, Digley- I've added to the magnum thread.

[Holmemoss]

Welcome to Rootschat, DigleyMill

John Mitchell and Ann Flather are also my 3G Grandparents and I have a lot of information on their descendants.

John Mitchell remains an enigma as I have not found a baptism; this thread probably explains why :

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,488721.0.html

I shall send you a PM with my email address.

[PAR1704]

I've just joined the forum. It's great to see reference to Joseph Flather, John Mitchell and the Stirks (Martha Grace Mitchell = Abraham Stirk). I'm also a descendant of this line, albeit long settled in Newcastle. I'll need to dig out my files to see exactly how I fit in, but from memory Joseph Flather is my Gx5 grandfather. I've got some bits and pieces about John Mitchell, including a copy of his marriage certificate. Interestingly, his name was passed down to my paternal grandfather, John Mitchell Richardson (d. 1996). An uncle of his also shared the same name.

The Flathers of Northowram look to be a very interesting and fruitful line to follow. Has anyone consulted 'Yorkshire Pedigrees' (The Harleian Society, 1942)? I understand that the family is included in one of the volumes. Also, at the West Yorkshire Archives, there look to be a lot of original papers from the 17th/18th Centuries relating to the family.

Paul