STUART FAMILY - Runcorn (?)

[mikeyr62]

Oh dear all this confusion   

re John Ignatius and James. I had looked further for John in 1841 in Downside Abbey, Somerset (I wrote Berkshire earlier by mistake- thinking of Douai Abbey, Berkshire). He may well have been in Douai France perhaps?
That was why I then went back on everything I had said previously (other thread) and wondered if he was James. However I doubt that very much.
Hope that is ok.

Paul, when you want to quote, make sure you begin your typing after the last part of the message - it will say '/quote' in square brackets

From what I can gather John Ignatius was at Douai Abbey in Berkshire for his training from the age of about 12 onwards - so that would be about 1839 meaning that he would not have been in Runcorn for the 1841 census. I also know that many people did not fill in the 1841 census as it was a new thing (also maybe religious places were a little more secretive!? and didn't want to say who was there!)

I'm still confused about Mary - is "my" Mary the one that married Scholes or not - I don't get it

James is a reasonably common name as is Stuart but I'd still like to find out about him.

Mike

[mikeyr62]

back to mary, ignoring the mis transcribed one from 1836, i can only find one possible mary stuart on the census. in 1861 the lady in question is giving her place of birth as ashton under lyne, lancashire, there are no mary stuarts i can see giving this as a place of birth in 1851.

by 1861 this mary is lodging in ashton and by 1871 is living alone in ashton as a cotton winder. on the 1881 census there is no mary stuart matching this description. there is a mary baines, giving the same birth place and year and the same job now listed as a widow. there is no mary baines on the 1871 census with these details.

currently cannot find a marriage for a mary stuart to a baines bewteen 1871-1881.

could be the correct mary?

This is so confusing

My family both fascinate and infuriate me in equal measures.

As one question is answered another hundred get asked.

Thank you so much for the help in trying to unravel this for me.

Mike

no problem at all, ive had plenty of help on here so its only fair to try and return the favour.

as it stands we know what became of charles, married and lived in london, died without having children.

john ignatious you are aware of.

mary we potentially have her tracked but needs more evidence, have you tried the runcorn link that was posted?

james, im having real trouble with being such a common name, he can be the project for tomorrow.

The Mary issue confuses me completely - Stuart/Scholes/Baines I don't know! Runcorn or Manchester or Worsley or Kearsley Again, I don't know!

Your help is invaluable - thank you so much.

Mike

[mikeyr62]

PS Just to add confusion to an already chaotic situation:

I have just found out that Alexander and Sarah married in 1811 at Manchester Cathedral (presumably it was still not possible to openly marry in Catholic ceremonies at that time!?)

Yet they didn't have any children until Charles was born c. 1822 - I wonder why? I've tried tracing this on familysearch to see if I can find any children who were born and subsequently died between 1811 and 1822 but I'm not having much luck at the moment.

I can't believe that they could have no children for 11 years and then start to reproduce every 2 - 3 years for the next 12 years.

Any ideas? Help?
Thanks.

Mike

[mikeyr62]

Checking on familysearch.org makes me question the Mary Stuart found that was married in Nantwich as I've found the following which suggests that there was possibly, another Mary born with parents called Alexander and Sarah in 1836 and that she had a sister called Emma:

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Emma Stuart

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
   
birth:   
christening:   03 Jul 1834 — Nantwich, Cheshire, England
baptism:   
death:   
burial:   
residence:   
parents:   Alexander Stuart, Sarah
spouse:   
child:   
marriage:   
    
   
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Emma Stuart

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
   
birth:   
christening:   03 Jul 1834 — Nantwich, Cheshire, , England
baptism:   
death:   
burial:   
residence:   
parents:   Alexander Stuart, Sarah
spouse:   
child:   
marriage:   
    
   
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Mary Stuart

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
   
birth:   
christening:   17 Mar 1836 — Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Interestingly I can find no birth/christening records on familysearch for Charles, James, John Ignatius, Matilda or Mary

Help please......
Thanks.

Mike

[heywood]

Hi Mike,

I know it got a bit confusing here but we had dismissed Mary from Nantwich already. There was another Alexander and Sarah (in 1841 as Tewart if I recall).

I don't think there are Catholic records from that period on Family Search and one would assume that the children would be baptised Catholic.

I know that Manchester family History Society are indexing Catholic records
http://mlfhs.org.uk/index.php  and they have online index here http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
but I can't see anything there.

As Mary states Kearsley, you might have to search around for the Catholic church there from that time.

regards
heywood

[mikeyr62]

Hi Mike,

I know it got a bit confusing here but we had dismissed Mary from Nantwich already. There was another Alexander and Sarah (in 1841 as Tewart if I recall).

I don't think there are Catholic records from that period on Family Search and one would assume that the children would be baptised Catholic.

I know that Manchester family History Society are indexing Catholic records
http://mlfhs.org.uk/index.php  and they have online index here http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
but I can't see anything there.

As Mary states Kearsley, you might have to search around for the Catholic church there from that time.

regards
heywood

Thanks for this I tried the online Catholic records just putting the family name STUART in and using a Soundex option and came up with nothing.

I am so totally confused

Thanks for your help.

Mike

[paulchapman]

did you see the other mary i posted details about? she gave her place of birth as ashton under lyne? there are only so many mary stuarts giving the place of birth as lancashire in that year on the 1851 census so she has to be one of them, unless of course she has again been mis transcribed.

[mikeyr62]

did you see the other mary i posted details about? she gave her place of birth as ashton under lyne? there are only so many mary stuarts giving the place of birth as lancashire in that year on the 1851 census so she has to be one of them, unless of course she has again been mis transcribed.

Hi,

Thanks - yes I saw this.

I think that Ashton under Lyne is so way out in terms of where she was born/lived to be seriously considered - or am i wrong on that one?

I think that mistranscription is the most likely option - STUART/STEWART/TUART/TEWART/STURT etc

But I'm lost as to where to go with this one.

Mike

[heywood]

Not everything is online- especially Catholic records.
You may never find their baptism details, or you may have to search the records elsewhere.
Catholic records for Salford Diocese are held at Lancashire - here is some information
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/web/?siteid=4528&pageid=30846&e=e