STUART FAMILY - Runcorn (?)

[mikeyr62]

back to mary, ignoring the mis transcribed one from 1836, i can only find one possible mary stuart on the census. in 1861 the lady in question is giving her place of birth as ashton under lyne, lancashire, there are no mary stuarts i can see giving this as a place of birth in 1851.

by 1861 this mary is lodging in ashton and by 1871 is living alone in ashton as a cotton winder. on the 1881 census there is no mary stuart matching this description. there is a mary baines, giving the same birth place and year and the same job now listed as a widow. there is no mary baines on the 1871 census with these details.

currently cannot find a marriage for a mary stuart to a baines bewteen 1871-1881.

could be the correct mary?

This is so confusing

My family both fascinate and infuriate me in equal measures.

As one question is answered another hundred get asked.

Thank you so much for the help in trying to unravel this for me.

Mike

[heywood]

Hello Mike,

the only thing I can think of is if there are surviving Catholic parish records for Runcorn.
It doesn't look too hopeful re the years on heere:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Runcorn,_Cheshire

As Paul said, it is quite a popular surname and is open to variations.

Going back to Alexander's occupation, I suppose he could have worked in some capacity as a chemist in a soap works which later became more of a labouring job but you would also have thought that the family would have needed some kind of money for a son to enter the Benedictines at that time. Perhaps not though.    Have you looked for a will?
I can't see John around Berkshire Somerset and am now wondering if by any chance he is James - don't think so though!  (not much help really!)
best wishes
heywood

[mikeyr62]

Hello Mike,

the only thing I can think of is if there are surviving Catholic parish records for Runcorn.
It doesn't look too hopeful re the years on heere:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Runcorn,_Cheshire

As Paul said, it is quite a popular surname and is open to variations.

Going back to Alexander's occupation, I suppose he could have worked in some capacity as a chemist in a soap works which later became more of a labouring job but you would also have thought that the family would have needed some kind of money for a son to enter the Benedictines at that time. Perhaps not though.    Have you looked for a will?
I can't see John around Berkshire and am now wondering if by any chance he is James - don't think so though!  (not much help really!)
best wishes
heywood

Sorry am totally confused by all this.

John isn't James (we know where they both were in 1841 - John wasaway at school,James was in Runcorn.)

John died in Chipping Sodbury in 1905 - he is on the census for 1901 and 1891; at other times he may have been in Mauritius.

A will for whom??

Thanks.

MIke

[paulchapman]

This is fascinating - thank you very much.

But, again, it raises a number of questions, namely, who are these people:
Mary Stuart   18 and how does she fit in? Charles' sister would have been about 26 in 1861 
Ann Boyer   67
Isabella Carodyce   38
Catharine Carodyce   14
Mary I Carodyce   12
Isabella L Carodyce   10
Elizabeth E Carodyce   7
John Nicholl   31
Wellington Cook   35

Mike

hi mike, couple of mistakes on my part in posting, this is the 1851 census so marys age is correct. the carodyce family lived next door at number 31, they have been placed on the record with the stuarts by mistake, they are no relation.

[paulchapman]

Hello Mike,

the only thing I can think of is if there are surviving Catholic parish records for Runcorn.
It doesn't look too hopeful re the years on heere:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Runcorn,_Cheshire

As Paul said, it is quite a popular surname and is open to variations.

Going back to Alexander's occupation, I suppose he could have worked in some capacity as a chemist in a soap works which later became more of a labouring job but you would also have thought that the family would have needed some kind of money for a son to enter the Benedictines at that time. Perhaps not though.    Have you looked for a will?
I can't see John around Berkshire and am now wondering if by any chance he is James - don't think so though!  (not much help really!)
best wishes
heywood

Sorry am totally confused by all this.

John isn't James (we know where they both were in 1841 - John wasaway at school,James was in Runcorn.)

John died in Chipping Sodbury in 1905 - he is on the census for 1901 and 1891; at other times he may have been in Mauritius.

A will for whom??

Thanks.

MIke

i think what he means is that at no point is john ignatious with the family on the census, i couldnt find him in cheshire either. if you are aware of his movements then thats one less thing to think about.

[mikeyr62]

Hello Mike,

the only thing I can think of is if there are surviving Catholic parish records for Runcorn.
It doesn't look too hopeful re the years on heere:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Runcorn,_Cheshire

As Paul said, it is quite a popular surname and is open to variations.

Going back to Alexander's occupation, I suppose he could have worked in some capacity as a chemist in a soap works which later became more of a labouring job but you would also have thought that the family would have needed some kind of money for a son to enter the Benedictines at that time. Perhaps not though.    Have you looked for a will?
I can't see John around Berkshire and am now wondering if by any chance he is James - don't think so though!  (not much help really!)
best wishes
heywood

Sorry am totally confused by all this.

John isn't James (we know where they both were in 1841 - John wasaway at school,James was in Runcorn.)

John died in Chipping Sodbury in 1905 - he is on the census for 1901 and 1891; at other times he may have been in Mauritius.

A will for whom??

Thanks.

MIke

i think what he means is that at no point is john ignatious with the family on the census, i couldnt find him in cheshire either. if you are aware of his movements then thats one less thing to think about.

John was away at a Catholic Abbey training to be a monk then a priest from the age of about 12 onwards. He then spent time in Liverpool, Stratford upon Avon, Chipping Sodbury, Morpeth and Maritius at various times from 1851 onwards. Sometimes his birth is listed as Runcorn, sometimes as Manchester. Sometimes he names himself solely as Ignatius Stuart.

Totally confusing in my opinion

[paulchapman]

back to mary, ignoring the mis transcribed one from 1836, i can only find one possible mary stuart on the census. in 1861 the lady in question is giving her place of birth as ashton under lyne, lancashire, there are no mary stuarts i can see giving this as a place of birth in 1851.

by 1861 this mary is lodging in ashton and by 1871 is living alone in ashton as a cotton winder. on the 1881 census there is no mary stuart matching this description. there is a mary baines, giving the same birth place and year and the same job now listed as a widow. there is no mary baines on the 1871 census with these details.

currently cannot find a marriage for a mary stuart to a baines bewteen 1871-1881.

could be the correct mary?

This is so confusing

My family both fascinate and infuriate me in equal measures.

As one question is answered another hundred get asked.

Thank you so much for the help in trying to unravel this for me.

Mike

no problem at all, ive had plenty of help on here so its only fair to try and return the favour.

as it stands we know what became of charles, married and lived in london, died without having children.

john ignatious you are aware of.

mary we potentially have her tracked but needs more evidence, have you tried the runcorn link that was posted?

james, im having real trouble with being such a common name, he can be the project for tomorrow.

[paulchapman]

i need to work on the use of the quote function as well 

[heywood]

Oh dear all this confusion   

re John Ignatius and James. I had looked further for John in 1841 in Downside Abbey, Somerset (I wrote Berkshire earlier by mistake- thinking of Douai Abbey, Berkshire). He may well have been in Douai France perhaps?
That was why I then went back on everything I had said previously (other thread) and wondered if he was James. However I doubt that very much.
Hope that is ok.

Paul, when you want to quote, make sure you begin your typing after the last part of the message - it will say '/quote' in square brackets