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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #36 on: Friday 08 April 11 20:24 BST (UK) »
Adelaide looks like a good bet too - but there is an error in the page number in the FreeBMD trancription of her birth registration index (it should be 592).

The birth certificate may not give you much new information other than hopefully confirming mother's maiden name as JOSEPH, so as to provide a match with the 1838 marriage which sandiep found for you.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #37 on: Friday 08 April 11 20:28 BST (UK) »
In terms of tracing Abraham back further, have you traced his marriage to Louisa? She was born in London so with any luck they will have married in England. Do you have her maiden name (from e.g. the birth certificate of Moss or one of his siblings)?

NB I see that they already had baby Benjamin before the 1841 census so they may or may not have married during the period covered by civil registration (1 Jul 1837 onwards).

His likely birth: Benjamin Abraham BENJAMIN, Jun qtr 1840 Whitechapel 2 506.

I think you may have a different Abraham as I don't have a Benjamin listed on my children?  I have Abraham b.1813 m. Louisa
Children
Jane
Rosetta
Philip
Moss
Isaac
Solomon
?

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #38 on: Friday 08 April 11 20:34 BST (UK) »
You might have already come across these, but just in case - when I found a surprise Jewish branch in my family JCR_UK http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/ and JGSGB http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/ really useful!

Thank you! I shall have a study! I've got lots of homework  :-\

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #39 on: Friday 08 April 11 20:55 BST (UK) »
I think you may have a different Abraham as I don't have a Benjamin listed on my children?  I have Abraham b.1813 m. Louisa

No, I don't think I have a different Abraham. Here they are in 1841:

Sun St, St Botolph without Bishopsgate: HO107/725 bk 10 f18 p31

Abraham BENJAMIN 28 Tailor Born Foreign Parts
Louisa do 24 Born in county
Benj. do 1 Born in county

(Benjamin was still at the family home in 1851, aged 11)


Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #40 on: Friday 08 April 11 20:58 BST (UK) »

I think you may have a different Abraham as I don't have a Benjamin listed on my children?  I have Abraham b.1813 m. Louisa
Children
Jane
Rosetta
Philip
Moss
Isaac
Solomon
?

There are further children you haven't listed:

Lewis/Louis - at home in 1851, 1861 (FreeBMD has his likely birth as Lewis BENJAMIN in Dec qtr 1843, City of London)

and of course Adelaide, b 1848, whom you know about.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #41 on: Friday 08 April 11 22:31 BST (UK) »
Blimey yes! Thanks.  I find the census so hard to read.  I guess that takes a lot of practise too... Can you tell what the address is on the 1951 census? and what is written next to Benjamin?

Thanks! x

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 09 April 11 09:18 BST (UK) »
The address in 1851 is 8 Newnham Street, Goodmans Fields, St Mary Whitechapel.  Reference is HO107/1546/118/3.

Benjamin BENJAMIN, aged 11, is  a scholar, born St Mary Whitechapel.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 09 April 11 18:10 BST (UK) »
"Hi,  May I ask how you came about the information? That's really interesting. are Eliahu and Shmuel their surnames?"

sorry took me a bit to reply computor problems had to resort to a new one!!
Eliahu & Shmuel will be the parents 1st names and I have the Great Synagogue & Bevis Marks synagogue registers of marriage for quite a few years.......my husbands family turned out to be Jewish and I was really lucky to turn up the books especially Bevis Marks one.......Jewish familys are difficult to research they have a habit of changing names!!!!!

sandie
Pender, Raphael,Lambert,Digby,Stent,
Dowell,cornish,mulley,Death,Rosier,
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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 09 April 11 21:47 BST (UK) »
Jewish families typically used Old Testament Biblical names ... so Eliahu (Elihu) is from the book of Job, and Shmuel is another version of Samuel
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