Finding proof of relation to my father

[Maggie1895]

As I understand it you want to establish a link between Mabel and Thelma.  I've started the other way around.  
Mabel K Horrocks married Albert H Simpson Q.3 of 1931 in Manchester North.  Vol 8d, Page 1142.
Having her middle name this looks as if it could be her birth:
Mabel K Horricks b Q4 1911, Prestwich, Lancashire.
Mother's maiden name was Thomas - could Sarah Ann have been Sarah Ann Thomas?

If that's her, then Joseph and Sarah were presumably together, and married, by the 1911 census.   See if there are any clues there, because if Violet was a half sister and was in the same household, and was born prior to the 1911 census, she might be listed with them.

[silvery]

Name:    Violet Moore
Birth Date:    14 Jul 1903
Death - Jul quarter 1990 , Tameside registration district, vol 39 page 1511


Trouble is, there's no births of a Violet Stephens coming up in the right area that your think - Stourbridge or area

Births Sep 1903  
Stephens    Violet  Pontardawe    11a   1031     
Stephens    Violet May    Plymouth    5b   252

A July birth would come in the September quarter.  
Quarters are March, June, September, December and births are registered within six weeks normally.

[Michmoor]

This is realley exciting!

Maggie I need to establish the relation between Violet and Mabel, but it does look like you have found the right people.

My father is sure Thelma is a half/sister or cousin though to be honest I wonder weather they were just good friends and their children just called them auntie/ uncle like you do to your parents friends, but if they were related it would be very useful to know and thats what I realley need to know.

Thanks to everyone for your help.

[silvery]

As I understand it you want to establish a link between Mabel and Thelma.  I've started the other way around.  
Mabel K Horrocks married Albert H Simpson Q.3 of 1931 in Manchester North.  Vol 8d, Page 1142.
Having her middle name this looks as if it could be her birth:
Mabel K Horricks b Q4 1911, Prestwich, Lancashire.
Mother's maiden name was Thomas - could Sarah Ann have been Sarah Ann Thomas?

If that's her, then Joseph and Sarah were presumably together, and married, by the 1911 census.   See if there are any clues there, because if Violet was a half sister and was in the same household, and was born prior to the 1911 census, she might be listed with them.

Isn't it Mabel who's the mother of Thelma, and the link is between Thelma and Violet    

[Eilleen]

my bit

Joseph Fredrick Horrocks married a Sarah Ann Stevens  in 1917,

could Voilets surname be spelt Stevens not Stephens .

Eilleen.

[Michmoor]

Mabel and Albert is the parents of Thelma, to put it broadly I am trying to establish the relationship, if there is one between Violet Moore nee Stephens who married Richard Moore parents to my father.

We know Violet left Birmingham at a early age, we believe she lived with Joseph and Sarah Anne but whether she was related to them or they took her in is at this stage unknown!

[Michmoor]

Its possible it could be Stevens yes, guess we would have to look at birth certificates, my father still thinks he has it.

[Maggie1895]

Silvery, I admit to being totally confused!    
As I understood it, the lady who had died is Thelma, daughter of Mabel Horrocks b around 1911.  
The link they want to prove is to Violet, Michmoor's grandmother, born sometime between 1903 and 1909.   Hope I've got that right so far.
Violet and Mabel are around the same age, give or take, and Thelma is the next generation down.
Because the 1911 census is the latest we can have a picture of the families I was hoping that something in the Horrocks household would give a link to Violet, because it's possible they were cousins?    

The lady full name is Thelma Bridson passed away Isle of Man April 2010 aged 77 or 78.
The key is establishing the relation to my grandmother Violet Moore nee Stephens who died in 1990 aged 85 or 86, there was some relation to her and Mabel.

At the time I thought I was following a logical train of thought around potential cousins - now I think I was just bewildered!

p.s. just saw Eileen's post - if Sarah was Sarah Stevens it would make Violet and Mabel cousins which was what I think I was trying to grope towards (in a rather fuzzy way) earlier

my bit
Joseph Fredrick Horrocks married a Sarah Ann Stevens in 1917,
could Voilets surname be spelt Stevens not Stephens .
Eilleen.

[silvery]

It was a bit confusing Maggie !      And I hadn't tried Stevens, as Eilleen suggested.   I think she has it!

September quarter 1903
Stourbridge    6c   192
STEVENS    Violet   

the marriage is coming up Stephens though. 

Now then, the connection.   I think it's going to be too late for us to look in records.   It would have to be tracing marriages, poss deaths, and certificates.   And Violet and Meabl Thelma are different generations.  Violet old enough to be Mabel's Thelma's mother.    (Blimey I'm at it now!   )

(How do heir hunters do it so quickly?)