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Offline MonicaL

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Re: Record Availability
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 12:50 BST (UK) »
I did try going down this route earlier using just the batch code for Falkirk on IGI - C114793 . This lets you use the minimum of information for the search.

Given that the name of Minnie's first daughter was Agnes, that is really all we have so far as a possible clue if she named her daughter after her mother.

Looking at births in Falkirk for a Mary, with a mother Agnes (no father named) brought up only one entry:

Mary Cockburn McDonald born on 14 May 1873 in Falkirk - mother Agnes McDonald.

This is the only birth in Falkirk between 1868-75 for a Mary with a mother Agnes and no named father.

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Re: Record Availability
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 31 March 11 07:00 BST (UK) »
Monica

Thanks for the info, I suppose it's a start, what I need to do is see if I can find them in the 1881 census, and Agnes in 1871 and see if that helps any. Some of Minnies childrens name may tie in with other family members, as you said as Agnes was her first she could have named her after mother but other children could have followed that naming process, so perhaps May Silvey, Hugh Campbell, George Munro, Lillian or Fred Lewis may hold a clue?

Thanks Again
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Re: Record Availability
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 02 April 11 17:10 BST (UK) »
Someone suggested up thread that 'there is only one set of church records for Falkirk'. This opens up a whole can of worms :-\

The extant registers of the Church of Scotland were collected centrally in New Register House in 1855 when statutory registration of births, marriages and deaths began. Later baptismal registers were never collected centrally and if they have survived are likely still to be with individual churches. In particular they are not indexed in either Scotland's People or in the International Genealogical Index.

With a surname like McGill, and an Irish connection, there is a possibility that the family were Roman Catholic. The RC records after 1855 are indexed on SP.

I see that Maggie McGill, in the 1881 census in Troqueer, is aged 8, which is exactly the age that Mary, born 16 November 1872,  would have been on the date of the 1881 census, and I wonder whether 'Maggie' is a misrecording of 'Mary'? That death record that Monica found may help to answer that, of course.

Did Mary/Minniepersonally write that she was born in Falkirk? If it was her husband, could he have got it wrong?

Looking on the bright side.  I think there might be a slim chance that the Falkirk church records haven't been digitalised yet.

I think you can be 100% certain that the post-1855 Falkirk baptism registers have not been digitised yet.

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When the Mormans went round churches in the 1980's to film their record books not all parish churches gave their permission.

The Mormons did not go round churches in Scotland. They microfilmed and indexed the pre-1855 registers of the Church of Scotland which had (as described above) been gathered in New Register House, plus the statutory birth and marriage registers from 1855 to 1874/5. This was in effect a 100-year cut-off being operated by GROS in the late 1970s.

I believe that it is true that the RC church refused to allow the Mormons to film and index their records, and I am also under the impression that in England, where many churches still retain all their own registers, some churches also refused. However this was not the case with the pre-1855 Church of Scotland registers.

The flaws in the Mormons' index are to some extent perpetuated in the SP index. There are, for example, sundry omissions from the IGI, and most of there are also missing from the SP index, though SP will eventually correct any omissions to which their attention is drawn. This isn't going to help you find Mary/Minnie McGill, because it applies solely to the pre-1855 C of S registers.

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I remember when I started fam.history in 2002 that a few genealogists had already set up scotsorigins (part of britishorigins) and had organised a contract to offer digital images to amateur family historians.  Not all church records had been filmed when scotsorigins lost the contract and it was given to scotlandspeople.gov.uk


The contact was not taken away from Scots Origins and given to Scotland's People. Scotland's People is a government agency, and in the early days it was SP who subcontracted Scots Origins to run the online service. Later SP took the service back in house, using Brightsolid for the technical aspects of the service.

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I've had a look at the Falkirk Town Council's family history page and although it mentions all pre 1855 church record/registers have been transferred to the GRO central archives it doesn't actually say that all later ones have been transferred and it may be worth sending them an email asking if this is the reason you can't find the baptism of your ancestor
If they say all books have been transferred - it may be that the GRO haven't filmed the register yet.

See above. The post-1855 C of S registers have not been transferred. Some may be in the care of local archives but most are still with the churches.

The GRO is the agency which deals with BMD registration in England and Wales. The corresponding agency in Scotland is the GROS. As far as I know, and I'd be happy to be told I am wrong, there are no plans at present to centralise/film/index/digitise the post 1855 C of S registers. There are, however, plans to index the assorted Free Church registers which are held in the National Archives of Scotland, not by the GROS.

Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Record Availability
« Reply #12 on: Monday 11 April 11 20:03 BST (UK) »
Forfarian

Not sure if I understand all that there is a lot of info. However the 1911 census was fillied in by Minnie and was signed by her. So either she lied about where she came from, she did come from or she believed thats where she came from.

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Re: Record Availability
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 May 11 07:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Again

After a bit of searching I found a marriage for Agnes Mcdonald to an Alexander Cockburn in the June of 1874. So would guess that this was the father so as yet no connection between the two.

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