Thomas Nicol (m. Mary or Margaret?)

[safarina]

I can't find the Thomas Nicol and Mary Ramsay that were named as the parents on their son Henry Nicol's Poor Law application in Govan. (The son Henry was born abt 1830 - 1834)

I can only find a "Margaret" Ramsay & Thomas married 1830, but no signs yet of a "Mary" and I don't know if they had a son Henry. 

Henry was listed as 55 yrs and Mary as 53 yrs on the above application  in  1889..so that would make Henry born around 1834.

All of the Nicol family that I have found in the other generations are born in Lanarkshire (in the Glasgow area).

Safarina

[safarina]

I am still trying to find more of my Nicol line and now I'm concerned that as a newbie a short time ago  I may have wrongly placed too many  "Topics"  between the Beginners and here.....

All of the repies I received on other posts have been most helpful & set me on the right track with the Nicol's & got me off the wrong trail I was on with some Whyte's.    Thanks to everyone!

Please help me straighten this out ..The first post here is what I am actually seeking help with at the moment....but it may be helpful to anyone wanting to help,  to read some of my other posts. You'll see how confused I've been and why I need a little assistance in researching.

Safarina

[capricorn]

Hi, 1841 names index shows that Henry was living with his grandparents.

Census taken OUTERHIGH

Alexander Ramsay age 55
Margaret age 50
Isabella age 20
Jane age 15
Henry Nicol age 8

There's no sign of Thomas or Margaret (Mary) in 1841 nor his brother Thomas.
But the index I have does'nt cover Barony.



There's no sign of Henry in Glasgow 1851

1861 names index

Census taken HIGH CHURCH 644/2 ENUM DIST 12 PAGE 9
Henry Nicol age 28 born Glasgow
Christina age 28 born Glasgow
Robert age 5 born Glasgow
Janet age 3 born Glasgow
Margaret age 1 born Glasgow
Thomas age 30 born Glasgow (This is prob. Henry's brother)

Also in IGI there are births of Henry and Christina's children, their daughter Margaret was called Margaret Ramsay Nicol. I'd say she was called after her grandmother.



Regards Liz

[RJ_Paton]

The 1851 Lanarkshire Names index has

Henry Nicol age 18 born STI Cumbernauld Par/Ward 652 Dist 5 Pge 8 No 15

652= Old Monkland

As it's not the full census it is difficult to see who he is living with but its not other members of the Nicol family.

Could this be the elusive Henry ?

[kenjo]

Hello Sweetie,
This will help quite a bit.

I noticed that, somewhere, you had put that his second wife was Mary?. You must have this, 1881c, but just thought I would post it again. saying that his wife was Margaret.
Also, I bought this Death for you. which straightens out, quite a bit.  [can't find your posting that says, his mother is Mary and wife is Mary, but both appear to be Margaret.
Send me yout home email again and I will send you the cert.

1881c
   Dwelling:   10 King St
   Census Place:   Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
      Henry NICOL   M   48    M   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Barber
Margaret NICOL   M   42    F   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Barbers Wife
Henry NICOL   U   24    M   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Fleshers Boy

attachment below.
regards
kenjo

[safarina]

Hi,

Does the 1841 census state that Henry is a grandson....I wonder what happened to his parents? (dead? in Jail? gone to greener pastures?)

The info I'm receiving is sure helping to answer a lot of questions as to where Henry was.....I now have some of the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 Census and am looking forward to knowing when Henry died.

Henry's first wife was Christina White, and I have her death record of Aug 29, 1874.

The Poor Law Application of 1889 states that Henry 55 yrs married Mary Cross June 15, 1875 (dau. of Thomas Cross & Isabella Hay)

(The Margaret Nicol wife of  Henry on the 1881 census would have to be the "Mary" Cross ....so it looks like the application should have read "Margaret" instead of Mary? )

Henry was born in Rottenrow, Glasgow  (date unknown?)

Henry's parents are listed as Thomas Nicol & Mary Ramsay (both dead at time of this application)..but this also could be the Margaret Ramsay that we have found?

Safarina

[capricorn]

Hi, You would need to look at the actual census for more details as the index only covers what I've already posted.

I'm also a bit puzzled about the son Henry in 1881 census.
He does'nt appear with the family in 1861.
In IGI his birth is given as 1867 (extracted entry) which would have made him age 14 and not 24

You know Henry was still living in 1889, have you tried 1901 census? this would help in narrowing down his death.
You should be able to find his death cert on 'scotlandspeople'

Liz

[safarina]

Hi,

Don't you think something is a bit wrong with the picture and it likely should have said son Henry was 14...(And one of  the reasons he was still at home)

Henry (the father) was only abt 35 when son Henry was born in 1867and it states on the father's Death Certificate that he was 55 when he died Jan 21, 1891...

Young Henry would only be 24 when his father died 10 yrs later  than the census that already records him as 24.  .....Probably just unreadable writing on the census, but yes it would be interesting to see the actual census.

I also noticed that right away & was puzzled for a bit.

Safarina

[kenjo]

Have made attachment bigger!
The son was a flesherBOY, so he was probably 14, not 24, I hadn't noticed this.
kenjo

modified.
I have looked for the marriage of Henry to Margaret cross or clark, and can't find anything.