Author Topic: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)  (Read 2806 times)

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Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 April 11 13:32 BST (UK) »
Trish & Shaun, have been offline for a few days......

Yes I have the three children of Thomas and Alice (Charlotte) Cullen born between 1817 and 1823.
All baptised at St John the Evangelist, Westminster.

Thomas Matthew Cullen : b 24/10/1817, bapt 31/1/1819, abode Kings Place, St Pancras, Father Thomas (Gardener), Mother Alice.

Elizabeth Cullen : b 10/4/1820, bapt 22/2/1821, abode Kings Place, St Pancras, father Thomas (Gardener), Mother Alice.

Charlotte Cullen : b 11/12/1823 (date not particularly clear), bapt 22/8/1824, abode Kings Place, St Pancras, Father Thomas (Gardener), Mother Alice.

William Cullen "their" fourth child (albeit 15 years later which I thought was a bit unusual) from his Birth Certificate:
b 23/6/1838 at Poplar Cottage Gt College St Camden Town, Father Thomas (Gardener), Mother Alice Cullen formerly Butler.

Now if the 1834 buried Thomas Cullen is the same person, then quite clearly it's all gone pearshaped. William is my G-G-Grandfather. Thomas may not now be my G-G-G-Grandfather.

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Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 April 11 15:57 BST (UK) »
Oh Blueowl,
I was hoping you were not descended from William!
I dont know what to say.
Even though Thomas is the Father on the Birth Cert it looks to me that he was deceased by that time.

Trish :)
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Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 28 June 25 17:25 BST (UK) »
Very late to respond to this, but I am also descended from Charlotte Alice Butler and her son William Cullen.  My link is through William's daughter, Lottie Fannie Cullen, then her daughter Lottie May Moore, her son Edward Moore Beckett, and his daughter Dorothy Margaret Beckett, who was my mother.

With regard to the original query, I am also looking for this information.  I have a note written by my grandmother (wife to Edward Moore Beckett), who copied this from an earlier note which I believe was written by Lottie May Moore.

"Margaret Kitchin, whose people were shipbuilders of Liverpool married 1) Mr Butler, a ship builder, the year the King of France was beheaded (1793)and had one child Alice Charlotte Butler born Apr 9th 1793.  Later Margaret Butler, now widowed, went to Ireland as housekeeper to the Duke of Rutland and married Mr Maguire, the butler.  They had seven daughters, all called Margaret, who died in infancy.  She died in Leamington hospital through burns from a ***** of beeswax and boiling oil boiling over.  Her husband died while she was in hospital.
The first daughter, Alice, married Thomas Cullen at St Martin in the Fields in 1816.  She had four children.  She separated from her husband and left one boy in London and went with her half-sister Eleanor Maguire to Leamington with Charlotte b 1823, James and Margaret and later on William b 1838 at either Leamington or Cheltenham (William later went to Aldburgh and became a pastry cook of note).  The children were put out to nurse and mother went as a nursemaid.


Not sure how much of this can be proved...I do have two additional children for Alice, Elizabeth and Charlotte, but both of them died as young children, so that is probably why they were missed out.  Alice's sister Eleanor exists as she was a witness at Alice's wedding, but beyond that I've struggled to find anything else to prove the rest of the story.

Did you ever find anything more about Alice, and how are we related, would love to know more if you are still researching.

PS I am very confident that William is not a son of Thomas as per the comments in the thread so if you know more...

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Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 28 June 25 18:01 BST (UK) »
Baptism at Leamington Priors, 6th June 1830:  Margaret Cullen, daughter of Thomas ( a gardener) and Ellice.
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Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 29 June 25 22:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Sean.  I had found Margaret before, but can’t seem to find her brother, James, anywhere.
Thomas Matthew Cullen 1817 St Pancras
Elizabeth Cullen 1820–1824 St Pancras
Charlotte Cullen 1823 St Pancras
James Cullen ?
Margaret Cullen 1830 Leamington - 1831 St Pancras
William Cullen 1838 Camden

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Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 June 25 05:35 BST (UK) »
GRO Index for reply #7

Cullen, William 1838 St Pancras mother's maiden name Butler