Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset

[lost101]

so this other marriage (1918)is not the same person? that would explain some things,so,the family have it wrong and we should be following the phyllis r nolan from 1918 as she is obviously john henrys mother,but....she is formerly a toms according to the birth cert

[KGarrad]

The birth you are referring to is:

September qtr 1916
Wareham district    vol 5a, page 461

Nolan, William J   mmn Toms
    And also
Roose-Nolan William J  mmn Toms

Maybe(??) that would indicate a birth outside of the marriage?
Philippa Roose (née Toms) had a child with a Mr Nolan?

Is the father named on the birth certificate?

[lost101]

yes.john henry roose-nolan.

is the phillipa toms from the 1908 marriage to alfred roose and the phyllis roose-nolan(nee toms) from the 1918 marriage to edward john george the same lady?.i doubt that,but i cant find a marriage to a roose-nolan anywhere,but they may have been related in some way.

I do believe that the phillipa toms from the 1908 marriage is the same phillipa roose from the 1925 marriage,so,is the edward john george from the 1918 marriage the same man in the 1925 marriage, it would tie up all of the childrens names.......except for the nolan name,now,as william was born at home could they have just said the mothers surname was the same as the fathers and thats where i am getting confused.

[KGarrad]

It's all very strange!

We know that Phillipa Toms married Alfred Roose in 1908.
We know that children named Roose, with a mother's maiden name of Toms, were born in 1909, 1912, 1917, 1921 and 1923.

September 1916, William J Roose-Nolan is born.

Meanwhile, Phyllis Nolan married Edward J George married in 1918.
I cannot find any offspring of this marriage.

Neither can I find any deaths of Alfred Roose or Phyllis George?!

Then, in 1925, Phillipa Roose marries Edward J George.

So, who is John Henry Roose-Nolan?!?!
How does he fit in?

[lost101]

all we know of him is that he is stated as  the father of  william john roose-nolan on the birth cert,he was a sgt in the 2nd oxfordshire btln (based in portland) there is a john henry nolan in the medal records but we are not sure if  it is him(with help from the ox&bucks museum),oh,and he is also stated to be a tram driver(maybe opens new search possibilities?) other than that we have nothing.

i have found a  phylis ruby roose (liskeard  5c  52).and a phylis mary roose(liskeard  5c 50)

now,the mother of of winifred l george and edward g george also had another daughter called phyllis may george(mmn toms) in totnes 1918 (totnes 5b 209), she died in fylde 1921(which ties in),remember,up until a few days ago we did not know that winifred and edward were born as roose at all.

i think i need to call in dan brown.

[KGarrad]

All the John Nolan's that I could find in the Dorset area in 1911, were all born in Ireland, and were all serving in the Army.

I would hazard a guess that John was a tram-driver before joining up, and that maybe he was from Dublin?

Do you have the marriage certificate of William John Roose-Nolan?
Maybe the father mentioned on that is not quite the same? And may give a clue?

[lost101]

we are still following up some things regarding john henry through the military sites and he was marked as deceased by williams marriage in 1938(electric tram car driver)