Toms/Roose Treasure Hunt..Cornwall/Dorset

[lost101]

Hello all,after spending so much time trying to sort out my family line i have decided to throw it open to the experts due to my work at the moment in the hope that some light may be shed on the family tree.






Philippa lizzie toms born Looe 1888

we are told she married a john henry (roose-)nolan sometime before 1916(we can find no trace)

a william john roose-nolan born bere regis 1916(but birth cert names mother as phyllis roose nolan formerly toms, the toms descendants say this is the same lady)
we are then told that john henry died in the war around 1916(more on this later)

we are then told she married an edward john george in 1918,we can only find one that matches but the brides name was phyllis r nolan.

thay had a daughter in 1918,phyllis m george (mothers maiden name  toms) but she was born in totnes.
then we know they moved to fleetwood where their daughter died aged 2 (1921)
we know they had another 2 children
winifred l george 1921 fleetwood
edward g george 1923 fleetwood

but,their names are actually recorded as winifred l g roose  and  edward g g roose,which is something we did not know until now.
Then we find a wedding in fleetwood between an edward john george and a phillipa toms in 1925!!

Now i know i have to allow for coincidences but this all seems to tie up.

The man john henry nolan did not die during the war and we are waiting for the dorset museum to get back to us on his army record(2nd oxford&bucks btn)

does this make any sense to any-one,(i know what i think)

[lost101]

am trying to track the roose name from 1911 to see if i can tie any of the names up,but am only getting a list of roose from liskeard,can any-one break them into family groups?

[KGarrad]

Marriages:

June qtr 1908
Liskeard district (includes East Looe)  Vol 5c, page 133

Toms, Phillipa
Roose, Alfred

(Mitchell, Thomas John W also mentioned, but the above ties in with 1911 census)

March qtr 1925
Fylde district   Vol 8e, page 983
Roose, Phillipa
George, Edward J

Births:
December 1909   Liskeard  Vol 5c page 52
Roose, Phylis Ruby

September 1912  Liskeard  Vol 5c page 97
Roose, Alfreda   (mothers maiden name Toms)

December 1917  Poole  Vol 5a page 338
Roose, Ellen M (mmn Toms)

December 1921  Fylde  Vol 8e page 1048
Roose, Winifred L G (mmn Toms)

June 1923  Fylde  Vol 8e page 1013
Roose, Edward G G (mmn Toms)


And a death:
September 1929  Liskeard  Vol 5c, page 54
Roose, Phylis R   age 19

[lost101]

we have the marriage between alfred and philippa,but we dont know if it is the same lady.

the problem is that we have a wedding in 1918 to edward john george(from the toms/george family tree),now,the family story is that this was her second marriage(john henry roose-nolan being the first before 1916)if this is correct why would she use the name phyllis r.nolan to marry edward john george in 1918?
If it is correct that her first marriage was to alfred roose

Then too further complicate things we have the last 2 children being named george-roose (1921.1923 fylde)then a final marriage in 1925 between phillipa roose and edward john george in fylde

Just re-read your post above,now, my father (john henry roose-nolans grandson)says that he was told by his father (william john r nolan) that he had 3 older sisters, but they had all gone to live with other family members and he never found them again,which does seem to tie in with what you have found,but where does john henry-roose-nolan fit in to that tree?..and where did the nolan bit come from?
 

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Do you have any of the marriage certificates?



Nanny Jan

[lost101]

nanny jan, we can find no trace of a marriage to john henry roose-nolan, i think that their may be two different p.toms here somewhere.

The only time we see the roose-nolan bond is in 1916 when william is born in bere regis.

If kgerrad  is correct then william john roose-nolan and phyllis m george(Mmn toms.totnes 1918) are missing

Mabe  william was adopted from alfreds side of the family?

And phyillis m george was adopted from her second husbands family,and that is why she has the surname george?

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Have you found Philippa on any census?


Nanny Jan

[KGarrad]

1891 census:
Reference RG12/1812/110/40
Church End, East Looe

Toms, William T  Head  M  32  Boat Man
Toms, Susan P  Wife  F  30
Toms, Carrie  Daughter  F  9  Scholar
Toms, William T  Son  M  8  Scholar
Toms, Ada  Daughter  F  4  Scholar
Toms, Philippa L  Daughter  F  2   all born East Looe


1901 census:
Reference RG13/2195/50/34
Church End, East Looe

Toms, William T  Head  M  41  Fisherman
Toms, Susan P  Wife  F  40
Toms, William T  Son  M  18  Labourer
Toms, Ada  Daughter  F  14 
Toms, Philippa L  Daughter  F  12   
Toms, Dora  Daughter  F  8
Toms, Albert  Son  M  5
Toms, Lena  Daughter  F  1        all born East Looe


1911 census I am not allowed to mention (due to copyright)
All I can say is that it conforms the 1908 marriage! 

[KGarrad]

The "other" marriage!

March qtr 1918
Portsmouth district    vol 2b, page 1246

George, Edward J
Nolan, Phyllis R       (Partners names are quoted by 1918, so we know this correct!)