Patrick & Mary Madden 1871 census

[RayDen]

Am trying to find a family on the 1871 census.  I believe that I have the family on the 1861, 1881 & 1891 census, however I can't locate the 1871 census and I think this is the information that I need to breakdown a current brick wall.

The family are called Madden with father Patrick and mother Mary:

In 1861 I have them living in Llanellyn Breconshire  RG 9/4221

Patrick Madden     Head   36 years     Lab   Born Ireland
Mary Madden       Wife     30 years             Born Ireland
Mary Madden       Daug      6 years             Born Monmouthshire Abersychan
James Madden     Son        4 years             born Monmouthshire Abersychan
Johanna Madden  Daug       1 year              born Monmouthshire Abersychan

In 1881 I have them living in Trevethin  RG11/5250/93/42

Mary Madden     Head   Widow   age   50 years             born Ireland
Michael Madden  Son                 age   13 Years             born Monmouthshire Trevethin
Timothy Madden Son                 age   10 years             born Monmouthshire Trevethin

There were also 3 Lodgers named Kelly

In 1891 I have them living in Trevethin RG12/4361/90/64

Mary Madden        Head  Widow  age 50                        born Ireland
Michael Madden     Son                age 24      Lab            born Abersychan (Ireland???)
Thimothy Madden  Son                age 21      Lab            born Abersychan (Ireland???)

As can be seen Mary's age remains at 50 in the 1881 & 1891 census I also believe I have her on her own in Trevethin in 1901 age 65 but that is for another day.  However her son Timothy who I am trying to trace also constantly changed his age which has caused me no end of problems .

Have tried all possible name variations etc., so if anyone can offer any other options I would be very grateful.

Regards

Ray

[CaroleW]

Patrick only died in the March qtr of 1881 so should be on the 1871 (if found) and so should Timothy

Births September qtr 1870   
Timothy Madden    Pontypool  11a 123

[RayDen]

Hi Carole

Yes I have that death in 1881 just before the 1881 census which was the starting point of my search of the census.

I also have a death for a likely Mary Madden in Pontypool in 1904 (age 65 years).

However before purchasing certificates I was hoping to find the 1871 census to link Patrick, Mary and Timothy.

Regards

Ray

[RayDen]

Have found the latest baptism for Timothy Madden for 6 May 1870 in St Albans RC church so it looks very like the family were still in the area. I also have the death for Patrick in 1881 - not got the certificate yet but he was RC buried in St Cadoc's under burial laws and he was the right age.  On Mary's death certificate in 1904 it alsoconfirms that her husband was a Patrick.  Not got the certificate yet but the register office confirmed that fact over the phone.

I have been through the whole of the Trevethin census looking for possible mis-transcriptions but have not found anything that looks a possibility.

Where now?

[KGarrad]

Have you considered the possibilty that the family were in Ireland at that time?

The known problems with 1871 include missing parishes in Glamorgan and Breconshire, but not Monmouthshire.

See www dot findmypast dot co dot uk/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/index.jsp#issues

[RayDen]

Would not rule out anything, but at this time the family would have had 3 or more children and would think it unlikely that a labourer would/could take the family back to Ireland for a holiday, and probably less that there would be move back to work.

Have had some access to baptism records and I believe that quite a number of the extended family may have been in the Pontypool, which would also point against a return to Ireland.

Have to keep searching.

However I have today been given a lead to Timothy's army record (he joined from Pontypool in 1895) which has cleared up a few issues.

[RayDen]

hi KGarrad

Sorry I missed the obvious clue in your post.  In 1861 the family were in Llanelly, Breconshire, so it is quite likely that they may have been in Breconshire (or borders) in 1871.  Do you know which of the Breconshire records are missing?

[KGarrad]

FindMyPast only quote:

Talgarth
Grwyne-fawr
Grwyne-fechan

+ 11 parishes in Glamorganshire.

But, Timothy was born in Trevethin in September qtr 1870, so presumably they were already in Trevethin by then?