Elizabeth/Eliza CRAIGEN

[majm]

Hi there,

Have you followed up on Jane Craigen, witness to Eliza's marriage?

NSW BDM online index shows a marriage for a Jane Craigen to Henry F HANKIN  in 1886, and it was registered at in the district of St Peters, (ref 2777/1886) ... Perhaps Jane and Eliza were sisters? The 1886 m.c. should have details for Jane's parents  and it should be easier to follow up on a Mrs Henry Hankin rather than a Mrs James Smith.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Just speculating, but I believe that Alice Elizabeth was the wife of James CRAIGEN. The Electoral roll shows them living at Newtown up until Alice's death. James died in 1947 aged 97, late of Newtown. I think he is Elizabeth and Jane's brother.

If they are the family that arrived in 1857, parents Robert and Elizabeth, then they all appear to have little or no knowledge of family names when it came to registering deaths.

Debra

Sands Directory  James CRAIGEN
1900 Jas Craigen, 39 Park St HURSTVILLE ...
1905 Jas Craigen, 124 Station St NEWTOWN.
1909, 1910 James Craigen at 124 Station St NEWTOWN
Cannot see him on 1903 NSW Electoral Roll  in either of the electorates covering those two Sydney suburbs.

Cheers,  JM

ps CANNOT see either Alice or James CRAIGEN on 1903 Electoral roll....

[Dundee]

Jane lived in NSW, but died in Victoria at her son's house.  Her father's name on her death reg was given as James. 
Debra 

Jane HANKIN died in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cbx/

Debra 

[cjs88]

Thanks again everyone.
Yes Dundee I am guessing Robert as father not James.

I do have marriage cert for Craigen ?Smith but no parents listed at all only what I said earlier.

I have the Children of Smith/Craigen but want the Craigen line (Neil).

This is what I have on Jane Craigen (Hankin)
Jane (1857-------Victoria)
Jane Craigen Marriage to Henry F HANKIN (----1893 Marine) at St Peters in 1886
M-2777/1886 HANKIN HENRY F CRAIGEN JANE ST PETERS
D-16014/1893 HANKIN HENRY ELIZA MARINE
So I guess I could buy their certificates but unsure if even related.

Carolyn

[majm]

Re Craigen= Smith m.c.
from your OP R.C.Church of St Peter & St Paul, Cooks River,NSW on 25/6/1883

This was a R C marriage, so it is likely that the clergy declined to forward ALL the info on their parish register to the NSW BDM Reg Gen.  Have you contacted the local parish archivist seeking Eliza's parents names?  You have the exact date for their archivist to easily access the original records, presuming these are extant (they should be, there should have been at least two sets of records held at the original church, one within the church building and one with the parish clerk).  http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm
The task of reconciling the Church Records for marriages between 1856 and 1895 was never finalised. Some of the Registry's marriage records from these years still have missing information.

(I add, and some marriages are not listed at all on the index, but when checking local parish records these can be found, e.g. I found one of my NSW forebears marriage in the local parish records, and then the archivist and I established that NONE of the around 800 marriages had made it to the NSW BDM online index.  That's being sorted at present  )

EDIT TO ADD, it was and still is a requirement that the names of the parents of the bride and groom are recorded by the clergy conducting the marriage... !  I apologise for not thinking this issue through when I first read your post.

Cheers,  JM