Philip BROWN (1838-1919) m Mary CORNFOOT - Looking for Philip's ancestors

[hdw]

Have you ever investigated your CORNFOOT ancestry? Anyone who researches East Fife local history sooner or later comes across the story of the Pittenweem Witches. As late as the early 1700s, the fishing population of the East Neuk still believed in witches, and the murder of some poor women in Pittenweem provoked a national outcry. One of them was called Janet CORNFOOT. She may have had no connection with the CORNFOOT family of Earlsferry, but the two villages are only a few miles apart.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/PittenweemWitchTrials.htm

An anonymous Gentleman in Edinburgh wrote to the newspapers about this scandal at the time, and the town clerk of Pittenweem wrote back to say that he didn't know what he was talking about, and the women in question had bad reputations. Their slanging-match was eventually printed as a pamphlet, and I've seen a copy in the National Library of Scotland.

Harry

[NorrieG]

Philip gave his mother's parents as William BROWN, farm-servant, and Betsy ADAMSON.

John BROWN died on June 8th 1883, and his death was registered by his daughter Jane BROWN, "present", who gave his parents as William BROWN, fisherman, and Helen SCOTT.

Hi Boardies  I think we should go with the parents that Jane Brown gave, its said that women know best.


Father: William Brown, Mother: Helen Scott
these are their Children


 5. JOHN BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 SEP 1804 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
 
 6. ANNE BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 AUG 1808 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
 
 7. ROBERT BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 APR 1793 Christening: 05 MAY 1793 Kilconquhar
 
  11. WILLIAM BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 SEP 1791 Christening: 14 OCT 1791 Kilconquhar
 
  15. PHILIP BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 27 MAR 1812 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
 
 16. JAMES BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 28 DEC 1803 Christening: 08 JAN 1804 Kilconquhar
 
  20. MARY BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 08 MAR 1800 Christening: 16 APR 1800 Kilconquhar
 
  24. HELEN BROWN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 AUG 1797 Christening: 30 AUG 1797 Kilconquhar

NorrieG

[Boardies]

Hi there,   

A couple of things:

1)  William, Thomas and Philip and their Australian connection.
     
      William - born on 3/12/1827 at Kilconquhar.  Funny how he isn't in the census for 1841 or 1851 and yet he is on that gravestone.   Haven't found him in Australia yet.
      Thomas - born on 22/11/1835 at Kilconquhar.  We have him in the 1851 census, but I know he was married in Victoria, Australia in 1858, so he travelled to Australia sometime between 1851 and 1858.  He died in Melbourne, Australia on 22/10/1880.
      Philip - born 5/11/1838 at Kilconquhar.  We know that he registered his mother Jane's death in 1879 (probably because both William and Thomas were in Australia), in 1881 living in Edinburgh, and he travelled to Australia in 1883 (the year of his father's death, which might explain why Jane registered her father's death as the 3 boys had travelled to Australia). Philip died in Perth, Western Australia on 22/3/1919 (the same year as Jane's death).

     Is their a web site that lists Scottish emigrants to Australia in the 1800's?

2) 

Have you ever investigated your CORNFOOT ancestry?

     Not yet.  Interesting story about the witches.  What I do have is Mary CORNFOOT born 10/7/1839 at Williamsburgh, Fifeshire with possible siblings Elizabeth, James and Isabella.  Parents were James CORNFOOT (b. 13/5/1796) and Elizabeth SUNTER (b. abt 1800) and married on 1/12/1820, and this matches with the post #16 relating to the SUNTER's.   I have James CORNFOOT's parents as William CORNFOOT and Elizabeth BROWN.

3)

Philip gave his mother's parents as William BROWN, farm-servant, and Betsy ADAMSON.

John BROWN died on June 8th 1883, and his death was registered by his daughter Jane BROWN, "present", who gave his parents as William BROWN, fisherman, and Helen SCOTT.

Hi Boardies  I think we should go with the parents that Jane Brown gave, its said that women know best.

Isn't the information:
    John BROWN's parents were William BROWN and Helen SCOTT (as supplied by Jane when her father died), and
    Jane BROWN's parents were William BROWN and Betsy (Elizabeth?) ADAMSON (as supplied by Philip when his mother died).

    Can't they both be correct?


Boardies

[Boardies]

1851

John Brown 45
Jean  44
Elizabeth  19
Thomas  15
Philip  12
Jean  10
James  7
David  5
John  1

Hi there,

Is there any other information readily available about the rest of John and Jane's children?

Elizabeth   b. 1831, and is in the 1841 and 1851 census
Helen        b. 1833 and is not in either the 1841 or 1851 census  (died perhaps?)
James       b. 1842 and is in the 1851 census
David        b. 1846 and is in the 1851 census
John          b. 1850 and is in the 1851 census
Isabella     b. 1852

You would think that at least 1 of them must have been alive in 1919 to put William, Philip and Jane's names on that headstone.


Boardies

[hdw]

Philip gave his mother's parents as William BROWN, farm-servant, and Betsy ADAMSON.

John BROWN died on June 8th 1883, and his death was registered by his daughter Jane BROWN, "present", who gave his parents as William BROWN, fisherman, and Helen SCOTT.

Hi Boardies  I think we should go with the parents that Jane Brown gave, its said that women know best.

Don't confuse John Brown's father William Brown, fisherman, with his wife Jean's father William Brown, farm labourer.

Harry

[Boardies]

"...... if you want to look up his death-certificate, it's not in the parish of Elie, but in Earlsferry, parish of Kilconquhar. Although Elie and Earlsferry are physically joined up and to all intents and purposes one town, historically they are in different parishes.

......but his death-certificate gives him as "Seaman (Merchant Service)", and when his wife died in 1873 she was described as married to John BROWN, Seaman (Merchant Service).

Jane died on May 24th 1879, and her death was registered by her son Philip BROWN

John BROWN died on June 8th 1883, and his death was registered by his daughter Jane BROWN, "present", who gave his parents as William BROWN, fisherman, and Helen SCOTT.

Harry

Hello Everyone, 

May I ask - where are you looking up death certificate information?  Is it freely available online somewhere?


Boardies

[hdw]

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Harry