Herbert Barker - Grimsby resident 1896

[Barleymow]

You are right Mabel it was 1891....  Polly was used for nearly all Mary Ann's

Sorry !!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Just wondering what the evidence is for Herbert's link to Arthur Wilkins - the most obvious Arthur b Grimbsy with mother Lucy is known as Arthur Skelton on 1901 (in a family of mixed Skelton and Wilkins offspring - but no obvious marriage ) and Arthur Wilkins on 1911. By this time Lucy is with another "husband", although they do not marry until 1912, after the death of his wife. She marries in the name Wilkins.

[rwenman]

Sorry this is so long-winded... but I'll try to layout what I know...
You are right on with my research, that Arthur Wilkins was likely born in Grimsby in around 1896:
His mother Lucy Wilkins b (Riley) 1862, in Rochford, Essex

Married James David Wilkins, b 1857 in Wilton, Wiltshire, England.
They were married and the shown in the 1891 census (before Arthur was born) to be living in Lambeth:

891 RG12 Piece:402 Folio:49 Page:54    
37, Conroy Street, Lambeth
WILKINS, James D Head Married M 33 1858 Painter Wilton Wiltshire
WILKINS, Lucy G? ('E') Wife Married F 28 1863 Laundress Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Daughter F 6 1885 Aldershot Hampshire
WILKINS, David John Son M 4 1887 Pimlico London
WILKINS, Amy E S Daughter F 2 1889 Westminster London

sometime after this Lucy leaves Lambeth and moves to Grimsby (shown on 1891 census) but without James Wilkins.  Not clear what happened to him, whether he died, or Lucy just left I am not sure.  A letter from Lucy's daughter in her old age tries to explain that Herbert Barker may have been Arthur's father, but does not explain what happened to James Wilkins (which is part of the mystery), other than when she was little Lucy did not want to talk about him.

Here is what I found on Arthur G. Wilkins b 1896
WILKINS, Arthur
Caistor Lincolnshire 1895 Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 7A Page No:  640

also:

SKELTON, Arthur George
Caistor  Lincolnshire 1896  Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 7A Page No: 626

FreeBMD
Arthur George Skelton
Sep 1896 Caistor 7a 626

I have not found a marriage certificate between Lucy and George Skelton, but they do show up at the same address in the 1901 census with Arthur with last name of Skelton:
1901 RG13 Piece:3091 Folio:186 Page:36    
SKELTON, Geo Head Married M 38 1863 Fisherman Aldford Lincolnshir
SKELTON, Lucy Wife Married F 38 1863 Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Step Daughter Single F 16 1885 Waitress Aldershot Hampshire SKELTON, Sarah A Daughter F 15 1886 Grimsby Lincolnshire 
WILKINS, David J Step Son M 14 1887 Nipper Lad Railway Westminster
WILKINS, Amy E S Step Daughter F 12 1889 Westminster London
SKELTON, Arthur G Son M 4 1897 Grimsby Lincolnshire
 
Unfortunately, I do not have copy of the actual original birth certificate which may prove who the father was, but all that I am going on is the letter years later written by Lucy's daughter "Amy Wilkins", that Lucy stated to her Herbert Barker was the father of Arthur G. Wilkins/Skelton.  How does one go about getting the original birth certificate for Arthur, with known mother Lucy?   Also, formal death certificate for Lucy's first husband "James David Wilkins" b 1857?

[Ladyhawk]

posted by rwenman  March 2011 heading Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton

to see if anyone else can help and to avoid duplication of efforts here's the March 2011 links
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=518272.27 and
heading James Wilkins b1857
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=518764.0

Here is what I found on Arthur G. Wilkins b 1896

WILKINS, Arthur
Caistor Lincolnshire 1895 Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 7A Page No:  640

also:

SKELTON, Arthur George
Caistor  Lincolnshire 1896  Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 7A Page No: 626

FreeBMD
Arthur George Skelton
Sep 1896 Caistor 7a 626

These ref. details given on your 2011 thread did you decide not to purchase either the 1896 birth or 1919 marriage certificates for Arthur George Skelton / Wilkins to check who was named as his father?
The b/c may give you the answer to his parents names and his marriage certificate to Gertrude hopefully would also name his father

These details were also posted as a possible match to the birth entry for Arthur WILKINS

Arthur Wilkins
12 Jul 1895 Christening   St. John, Clee, Lincoln, England
father John Wilkins mother Sarah Ann

Clee is in the registration district of Caistor

certificates can be obtained from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp

[Ladyhawk]

Here is his marriage

  Old Clee Parish Church    25/05/1894

  Herbert Barker age 27  cab proprietor of 125 Kent street Grimsby
  father...John.. a cab proprietor

  Mary Ann Collins  age 24  of Clee
  father ..John  a labourer

  Wits;  Alfred Collins and Edith Barker

And his father second marriage ? this one is interesting!

  Old Clee Parish Church  07/05/1895

  John Barker age 64  widower a cab proprietor  of Highgate Cleethorpes.
  father John a deceased farmer.

  Mary Jane Hall age 40  of Cleethorpes.
  father George a  deceased  CUSTOM HOUSE OFFICER

Herbert Barker christened 4 Apr 1869 Old Clee parents John & Margaret
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBCY-CPX

1871 c Herbert Barker with parents John & Margaret
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VB8J-5GQ
they have a visitor Mary J Hall age 16 (1855) looks as if she’s Herbert’s father John’s second wife and the 1881c Mary noted as wife's sister)

1881c Herbert Barker with parents John & Margaret
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3YR-321

1891c John Barker widow living with him sister in law Mary J Hall age 36 born Ripon - you can find the full details of the census if you search here http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Here's a pedigree tree John Barker born c 1830 - details submitted in 2000
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9HDL-67K

ADDED for info.

Baptism: 10 Jun 1832 St Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
Margaret Hall born 14 May 1832 parents George Hall occ Excise Man & Barbara Abode: Clitheroe
   
Other Hall christenings
George born 14 Nov 1829 ch 16 Dec 1829
John born 8 Oct 1827 ch 16 Dec 1829

Sorry don’t have full details of the censuses

1861 Pudsey Yorkshire (West Riding)
Mary J Hall age 6 Ripon a visitor
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M76X-HVY

It looks as if
John Barker & Margaret Hall married in Halifax Jun qtr. 1855

1851 Yorkshire
Margaret Hall age 18 born c. 1833 Clitheroe Lancashire occ Shop Woman   

1841 Yorkshire
George HALL c. 1796   age 45 occ Excise Officer   
Barbara      c. 1796   age 45                     
Margaret      c. 1832 age 9
not born in this county   

perhaps this might be George on 1851c Yorkshire

George Hall age 54 born c. 1797   Nether Northumberland occ Inland Provisioner Officer

there's also this 1851 entry but he's born Yorkshsire

George Hall age 59 born c. 1792 Whorlton occ Supervisor Of Excise Inland Revenue