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Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Friday 11 March 11 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
From a family story I am trying to prove is the fact that one of my family members was buried in the Old Melbourne Cemetery in 1853/1854 in a pauper's grave.
I have read that records are scarce, but does anyone know if a death certificate would have normally been issued ?

The name in question is William Lowthian who was born in Cumberland UK in 1835 and the story tells he arrived in Australia in 1853/4 - there is one who fits this arrival year on the ship "Oregon" but it just gives his age as "A" - meaning adult.

 Thanks in Advance
Ro

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« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 March 11 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi next time I am at our library I will look up the indexes for you.
meanwhile thought I would give some info on Old Melb Cemetery and its replacement

Many people assume the first cemetery in Melbourne was the Old Melbourne Cemetery, whereas in fact it was Burial Hill, today's Flagstaff Gardens.

Willie, the child of James Goodman was the first person to buried in Melbourne, Port Phillip District. He was buried on 13th May 1836 at Burial Hill. This site was only used for about 6 burials.

It is not possible to visit the Old Melbourne Cemetery either, because it is located UNDER the present day Queen Victoria Market.

Bounded by Queen Street to the east, Peel Street to the west, Franklin Street to the south, and Fulton Street (which no longer exists) to the north, the Old Melbourne Cemetery was established in 1837 in West Melbourne. The first person to be buried on this site was also a child. He was Frederick William Craig, the infant son of Skene Craig. As Melbourne grew, this site was recognised as being too small and the Melbourne General Cemetery (or new Cemetery), that we know today, in Carlton, was established by an act of the New South Wales parliament in 1850 and was opened on 1st June 1853.

The Old Melbourne Cemetery was divided into areas according to religious denominations. Two acres each were given to the Church of England, Presbyterians, Roman Catholics and one acre each was given to the Jews, Quakers, Methodists and Independents. Later, half of the Quaker area was given to the Aborigines. The history of the Old Melbourne Cemetery ties in with that of the Queen Victoria Market, which was adjacent to it, and when the latter first expanded in 1878, it was the Quaker/Aborigine area near Fulton Street which it acquired first. A Crown grant was passed providing land for a general market on 4th March 1867. Today's meat hall dates back to 1869. The next 2 grants that provided more land for the market, were dated 1878 and 1880 (see Queen Victoria Market Lands Act 1996 - Act No. 78/1996 at www.dms.dpc.vic.gov.au), and in the 1880's legislation was passed requiring all bodies in the Old Cemetery to be exhumed.

Identification of the burial plots was made difficult because the register of burials prior to 1866 was lost or destroyed. Many graves were unmarked. Others had 'headstones' of red gum, which had weathered away. From 1920-22, 914 graves with identifying monuments were re-interred at Fawkner, Kew, St. Kilda, Cheltenham and the Melbourne General Cemetery. Many of the headstones crumbled when shifted. At this stage, the cemetery was in a terrible state of neglect, with very long grass. The cemetery had been closed in 1854, re-opened in 1864 for the sale of new plots, re-closed in 1867, with the final burial taking place in 1917. It was closed permanently in 1922.

As there were about 10,000 burials on the site, there still remain approximately 9,000 people buried under the sheds and car park of the Queen Victoria Market. Every time work is carried out at the market, bones are disturbed. A memorial to these people stands on the corner of Queen Street and Therry Street. In 1996, the previous Crown grants were revoked and the Queen Victoria Market Lands Act 1996 came into being.

There are several books of interest to be found on the Old Melbourne Cemetery. Marjorie Morgan's own book, "The Old Melbourne Cemetery 1837 - 1922" published by the Australian Institute of Genealogical Studies in 1982, has names of people buried there. These came from transcriptions of legible headstones made by G. P. Townend in 1913-14. As a gentleman in the late 60's he saw the importance of making a record of these markers.

Isaac Selby wrote a book called "Old Pioneers Memorial History of Melbourne" in 1924, whilst the Royal Historical Society of Victoria's Historical Magazine, Volume 9, No. 1, pages 40-47 has an article on the cemetery. Another book, "Melbourne Markets 1841-1979, the story of the fruit and vegetable markets in the City of Melbourne" (Footscray, 1980), edited by Colin E. Cole has material on Melbourne markets.

Hope this helps a little

If i find anything I will let you know


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chrissy

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Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 March 11 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chrissy,
I had read that account about the Queen Vic site but was unaware of the Flagstaff Gardens one.
That sketchy information is all that I have on Wm Lowthian - and as I said it is a family story - I just cant find anything more on him in the Uk or Australian records & hoped that I might prove or disprove it.
Many thanks for the offer
regards Ro

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Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 March 11 00:34 GMT (UK) »
Civil registration commenced in July 1853 in Victoria.  I can see no death registration for a William LOWTHIAN in the period whose age indicates birth c1833. 

You may be interested in the recent announcement from the Victorian Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages.

Early ChurchRecords Recovery Project
The Early Church Register recovery project for records created between 1853 and 1900, that were not originally provided to the Registry, has been recovered and has now been captured into our database.  This could not have been achieved without the diligent efforts of our field volunteers and those volunteers who worked tirelessly in capturing the data.  These records compliment the Early Church records currently housed on our online inde
x.

One of my ancestors died in 1853 in East Melbourne and I was told he had been buried at the Old Melbourne Cemetery however after much searching I found that he was one of the earliest pauper burials at the Melbourne General Cemetery.  However I did have his date of death.

It may be worth checking with MGC  -   mgc[at]necropolis.com.au 

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Cando
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Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 March 11 00:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cando,
Many thanks for this pointer - will try it
regards Ro

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Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 March 11 01:22 GMT (UK) »
It is not possible to visit the Old Melbourne Cemetery either, because it is located UNDER the present day Queen Victoria Market

There was story about a redevelopment of The Queen Victoria Market site and the problems they will have with the old cemetery.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bodies-under-queen-vic-haunt-market-revamp-20110311-1bqsp.html
Living in Perth, Western Australia and researching

George & Helen LEIGHTON [McNAUGHTON] from Dundee, emigrated to Melbourne in 1854
John & Ann BOOTH [DOWSON] from Durham, emigrated to Melbourne in 1852
James & Mary THORNETT [BROWN] from Oxfordshire/Cheshire, emigrated to Adelaide in 1876
John & Alice THORNETT [CARPENTER] from Oxfordshire, emigrated to Adelaide in 1877

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 March 11 02:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cando and Thornett.

That was an interesting read on the site you gave about the carpark....be interested to here the outcome in due course.

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Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 March 11 02:39 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for the reply - I read this yesterday.
It will be very interesting to see what the outcome is
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Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 05:49 BST (UK) »
Hi

Found this article in the newspaper which would fit the person you are looking for perhaps...he died in 1904 and was aged 69 (c1834)  would then be his birth date.

SUDDEN DEATHS. (The Argus Newspaper Melbourne - Thursday 3.11.1904)
KYNETON VICTORIA - On Tuesdav night an old age pensioner named William John Lowthian aged 69 living in Baldwin street Kjneton died some what suddeny. He had been seen by a neighbour outside in his yard  shortly after 5pm but  at 9pm his daughter Mrs Alice Dalton found him 'dead sitting in his chair with his head resting on the table. He had a slice of bread and butter in front of him and had evidently been in the act of making his tea when he expired.  He had been attended for heart disease and dropsy. The police reported these facts to Mr M. K. Armstrong J.P. who thought it unnecessary to hold a magistrial enquiry as their were no suspicious circumstances and Dr Ryan was prepared to give a certificate as to the cause of death.'

Hope this helps.
My suggestion would be to right to Old Melbourne Cemetery asking the following

1.  Look for variations of the surname spelling (my children went to school with a family but they spelt their name Lothian ) ..maybe its worth a try to try that spelling
2.  Any paupers buried around the date of the article..people in those days were buried within 2 days
3.  Do a search on his daughter Mrs Alice Dalton for her death or on the person who furnished the details to the cemetery (I have done this)
4.  Request a death certificate copy form Births Deaths and Marriages in Melbourne Victoria.  I think they cost around 25.00 australian.

I also found this death notice in the Argus on 21. Apri 1915

LOWTHIAN
LOWTHIAN. - On the 20th April, at 55 Lock street, Coburg, Margaret Thompson, relict of the late
Wm. Lowthian, of Kyneton, and mother of the late Mrs. Dalton, Cohuna, Mrs. C. Goodridge,
Castlemaine; W. J. Lowthian, Koondrook; in her 69th year. Kyneton papers please copy. 
 

and the funeral notice

FUNERAL NOTICES.
LOWTHIAN.-Friends of the late Mrs. MARGARET THOMPSON   LOWTHIAN are respectfully informed that her remains will be interred in the Echuca Cemetery THIS DAY (Wednesday, 21st April, 1915), on arrival of the 6.40 a.m. train from Melbourne.       

Hope this helps a bit .

could be your Lowthian descendent.


cheers

chrissy