William Rogerson/Anne Johnston

[rogersul]

I am looking for information on William Rogerson b 1833 Applegarth Dumfriesshire m Anne Johnston b 1830 Johnstone Dumfriesshire.  Their children:
Jane b 1853
John b 1856 My Line
David b 1859
Robert b 1861
William b 1864
Anne b 1868
Elizabeth b 1870
Helen b 1874

Found a William Rogerson with a brother Robert and parents Robert b 1799 and Anne Graham but cannot verify the connection.  Also Shows Robert (1799) parents as Peter Rogerson and Agnes Bryden

Any help greatly appreciated

[Maggie1895]

Rogersul, I just had a quick look at the marriage  for William Rogerson and Ann Johnston in Johnstonbridge in 1852. 
I did wonder if there could be a connection to the Rogersons who had the Mill at Johnstonbridge - there is a William who was born c. 1817, but his parents were James Rogerson and Mary Johnston, and probably too old for your William, especially if you know he was born in Applegarth.
Both are such strong local surnames it's really hard to distinguish one from another and to add to the confusion I have Brydens as well.

Then had a look at possible deaths, and I think this confirms your information about William's parents.  How about this:
William Rogerson, age 64, died 22nd April 1895.  Ploughman, Kirbank Cottage, Johnston, married to Anne Johnston.  Odd thing is that Johnston on Ann's name is an overwrite and the original name is crossed out, could be Smith, with a 'recognition' note at the side.  Not sure what that means, but sure someone else will be able to explain.
He was 64, and his parents were Robert Rogerson, General Labourer, deceased, and Ann Rogerson, M.S. Graham, deceased.
The poor man died from a lacerated thigh and back, and shock, after 2 days following being injured by a bull.   The information was given by Elizabeth Rogerson, his daughter, who had been present at the death.
Hope this helps

[rogersul]

Thanks Maggie

This information certainly promising.  Looks very much like our line.  Appreciate your help.  Curious about the "recognition" note.

[Maggie1895]

Have a look at the original certificate, and see what you think the note in the margin is, I honestly wasn't sure, but I did wonder if William's wife had been married before?   
You can find the death certificate on SP ( scotlandspeople.gov.uk )
Search Deaths, and if you put in William Rogerson, death year 1895, in Dumfriesshire, plus the year of birth 1832 +/- 5 years, which is what I did, it should come up for you.
It will cost 1 credit to look at the search result page, but when you are there you have the option to 'view' - take it, although it will cost 5 credits you will see the breadth of information Scottish certificates give.   You can buy the credits on line and it is a government website and quite secure.
Good luck with it

p.s.  You sent me a PM with more information which was really interesting, but you thought it was non pertinent so didn't want to 'clutter the board'   Just to say that  everyone on Rootschat likes to help, and also loves to know when something touches the mark.  We all have to work on a mixture of family stories, guesswork and proper research, so if you feel like sharing the family story I think you'd find others were interested.     Sometimes it's one family's legend that ends up helping complete a jigsaw for someone else.

[rogersul]

Thanks for the help and information.  Will give scottishpeople website a go.  We are searching from Nova Scotia but do plan a trip this summer to Scotland.  Be really interesting to find as many GGparents as possible in cemeteries there. 

Your statement below which says........"The poor man died from a lacerated thigh and back, and shock, after 2 days following being injured by a bull.   The information was given by Elizabeth Rogerson, his daughter, who had been present at the death.
Hope this helps" .......made my wife remember that her grandfather was very adamant that the kids be very cautious around the bull on the farm where they lived.  She was just four when her grandfather died but the story rang a bell.  When talking to her brother (six years older) he remembered the story very well as did her mother.  The story is that William Rogerson died after being attacked by a bull on the farm where he worked after coming home from church.  He supposedly went to the barn with his "Sunday clothes" on and the bull did not recognize him.  The oral history also had that he suffered a day or two before he died.  I checked the perpetual calendar and 22 April 1895 was a Monday!  All very interesting and seems to verify that William is our man.

We have found William in the Scotland 1861, 71, 81 & 91 census.  Married and family.  Have  possibly found William Rogerson  in 1851 Scottish Census as a 20 year old  agricultural labourer living in Kirkpatrick with a family of Browns.  Have also found a William Rogerson in the 1841 Scottish census as an 11 year old agricultural labourer living in Wamphray, Fingland Outhouse #1 with what appears to be three others.  Cannot find him with parents in any census

Some questions come to mind:....1. Was it common that an 11 year old to hired out as a labourer?   2. Are there Scottish census available before 1841.  All of the information that I have got here was on Ancestry.com so not images but transcriptions. 

[Maggie1895]

Have a look on Sciotlands People.   Because you already know from Ancestry which records you wish to look at in the original, you shouldn't need to waste any credits on inaccurate initial searches.
When I get a moment I'll try and see if I can see any links between the 2 families of Rogerson in Johnstonbridge.     Although it could seem like they must be related, in reality it may be not at all or very distant because Rogerson is a strong local name.
Good luck and keep on posting here because people will always try to help, and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one whose read the sad family story of the bull with interest.    It's a magic moment when something comes up in the records that supports those family stories, because it makes the links so much more tangible (well, I think so anyway)