Mcgillvrays of Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon

[lydiaann]

I am searching for the parents of John Mcgillvray, born about 1812 in Kilv. and Kilf.  Supposedly they are Malcolm Mcgillvray and Effie Mclean.  I have the 1861 and 1871 census for John )who is 'Ina Mcgillvray' on the 1861 and 'John MacGilvery' on the 1871).  The family stayed in Kilv. and Kilf. right through until John's grandson, John, left for WWI.  I have tried to find 1841 and 1851 censuses for any of the family, without success.  For an extremely small parish, it seems there are a million and one Mcgilvrays (whichever way it is spelled).  I know that workers would often take the surname of the chief, or the Grand Poobah, but I believe that was further back that I am looking.  Any ideas, anyone?
lydiaann

[arasandkered]

Hi, Lydiaann,  Do you know the occupation of Malcolm McGilvray or tried www.mullgenealogy.co.uk.

I too have McGilvray in my tree from Kilf.&Kilv. which I have hit a brickwall on.

Regards Sarah

[arasandkered]

1841 Scotland Census
about John Mac Gilvrae Name: John Mac Gilvrae
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Argyll, Scotland
 
Civil parish: Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
County: Argyll
Address: Keuloch
Parish Number: 542
Household Members: Name Age
Allan MacLean 80
Effy MacLean 65
John Mac Gilvrae 30

1841 Scotland Census
about John Mcgilvray Name: John Mcgilvray
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Gender: Male
Where born: Argyll, Scotland
 
Civil parish: Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
County: Argyll
Address: Tiroran
Occupation: Shoem
Parish Number: 542
Household Members: Name Age
John Mcgilvray 24
Duncan Mcgilvray 22
Donald Mcgilvray 19
Flora Mcgilvray 16
Allan Mcgilvray 12
Alexr Mcgilvray 9
Widow Mcgilvray 58

Found these 2 on Ancestry.  Do you know other members of the family? or their address in 1861 or 1871.

Sarah

[lydiaann]

Hi, Sarah:  Thanks for your 2 replies.  No, I've not tried the Mull genealogy website, but I will.  With regard to the 2 entries in the 1841 census, don't know how you managed that, I didn't find them.  I am pretty certain you've cracked it with the first entry.  As far as I can ascertain from the information I have (someone had tried to do a tree without a computer), John was an only child.  He married a Flora Maclean (not sure whether it was incestuous or not!!) so it could be that in the 1841 census he was living with his mother-in-law to be, maybe as a lodger.  His first child was born in 1844 (Neil) so the marriage could have taken place after the 1841 census.  Because of the 'rounding down' of ages to the lower '5', Allan Maclean could have been as old as 84 and thus Effie's dad.  He's not Effie's husband because in the 1861 and 1871 census, John and family are living with Flora's dad, who was Angus, and other members of the family.  That was in Kenloch.  Where Angus was in the 1841 census is anyone's guess.

As far as Malcolm MacGilvray is concerned, I have no idea what his occupation was but down the line they seem to have been labourers, right until John went to war.

I'll keep working on it and let you know how I get on.  And if I find anymore about the MacGs I'll also let you know.

lydiaann

[Gillian Taylor]

Hi, I'm researching the MacGillivrays of K and K too, and I coudn't find 1841 or 1851 on Ancestry or the Genealogist, but the mullgenealogy.co.uk site was very useful. Somebody has transcribed all the island entries. You'll find them under the Census tab.

Gillian

[lydiaann]

Hi, Gillian:  Yes, I've got some information off the mullgenealogy site but not everything is there.  May I ask where you are in the family?  Who are your direct MacG ancestors?  We could compare notes...

lydiaann

[lydiaann]

Hi, again, Gillian:

Just realized this is from an old post I did 2 years ago.  Have a look on 'The Common Room' under the title 'Ancestry and Scotland's People' : I originally posted on this on 8 May, i.e. a week ago.  It may help you a little on your tree.

lydiaann

[Gillian Taylor]

Good to hear from you, Lydiaann. I'm researching Archibald MacG, born 1824 in K and K, son of Alexander, ag lab, and Catherine MacG, both born around 1775. I've found them all in 1841, and the parents in 1851. All of them were in Shiaba in K and K parish. Archie and his bride emigrated to Canada in 1843, and I'm hoping to find out why they left - it was before the horrors of Highland potato blight and clearance. He left his parents and younger brother Malcolm, ag lab, on Mull. Old Alex was a pauper by 1861. Malcolm had to leave Shiaba and become a shepherd, after Clearance. I've been reading about Shiaba and found some great photos of the ruins. It's a world heritage site now, and I'd love to go there. Old Alex was one of those who signed a plea to the Duke of Argyll not to evict the villagers, but it made no difference.

What's the back story with your MacGs?