Elizabeth North

[17norman]

Can anyone help - with parents or siblings of an Elizabeth North born 1891 sept 22nd in Canada - came back to the Dewsbury area yorkshire UK when 3 years old Married in 1918 to a William Talbot in Dewsbury . Nothing on 1901 -1911 UK census

[cosmac]

There is no central BMD register in Canada.  Each province handles this responsibility individually and what information online varies.  I can't see a birth in the Ontario records.  In the resource sections of this forum there are links to the various provincial Vital Statistics departments that you could look for a birth.

Do you have the marriage certificate as that should give her father's name which would help to narrow down the field.

Her birth date would have narrowly missed the Canadian census in 1891 which was taken April 6.

When you say you can't find her on the 1901/1911 census - do you think she returned as a young child to the UK and then returned to Canada with her family or is mistranscribed on documents or place of birth is not entered as Canada on these census?

Debbie

[17norman]

Thanks Debbie
Looks like a trip to Dewsbury registry office for a marriage certificate of Elizabeth North

Regards Cari's mother in law

[Jacquie in Canada]

Bumping this up even though the thread starter hasn't been back since her last post...

I may have a lead for you regarding Elizabeth although it would need confirmation through documentation. When you mentioned that you couldn't find Elizabeth on the 1901 and 1911 census it got me wondering whether the marriage to Walter Talbot was her second. I have found a candidate for you if that's the case:

In the England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 database at the LDS Family Search site, there is an entry for Elizabeth Tetley who was born 22 Sep 1891 (doesn't say where) and baptised 13 May 1894 in Birkenshaw, Yorkshire. Her parents are listed as John and Clara Tetley.

On the 1901 UK census in Birkenshaw there is an entry for this family which indicates that Elizabeth was born in Jamestown, USA (Piece: 4260; Folio: 86; Page: 6). John and Clara had 5 daughters - the eldest (Edith) and two youngest (Annie and Alice) were born in Birkenshaw while Elizabeth and a younger sister (Emily) were born in Jamestown. Unfortunately the census doesn't say what state Jamestown is in and there is more than one in the US.

On the 1911 UK census, the family is in Dewsbury, Yorkshire. Again, Elizabeth is listed as being born in Jamestown.

The FreeBMD has a marriage for Elizabeth Tetley and George A. North in Dewsbury that was registered during the 1st quarter of 1912 (vol 9b, page 704).

George Arthur North enlisted in the Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment) for WWI and was killed in action on 9 Apr 1917. His service record is at Ancestry and it does confirm that this George was married to Elizabeth Tetley.

Hope this helps.

Jacquie

[Jacquie in Canada]

I've been able to confirm 2 trips to the US for Clara and children between 1890 and 1900 which would explain how Elizabeth could be born in the US in 1891, baptised in England in 1894 and then have a sister born in the US in 1898.

FindMyPast has an outgoing passenger list entry for Mrs. Clara Tetley and infant Tetley departing from Liverpool on the Teutonic on 29 Oct 1890 bound for New York. There is also a passenger list entry for John Tetley who departed from Liverpool on 9 Jul 1890 on the Teutonic bound for New York.

There is also a passenger list entry for Clara, Edith and Elizabeth Tetley arriving in New York on the Teutonic on 10 Oct 1894. They are listed as coming from Burkenshaw and destined for Jamestown. If you can't access Ancestry's US records, the passenger list can be viewed at the Ellis Island website:
http://www.ellisisland.org/default.asp

There is an entry in the 1892 New York State Census for Jamestown, Chautauqua County, New York for the family:

John Tetley, 30, born England, tinsmith
Clara Tetley, 24, born England
Edith Tetley, 2, born England
Elisabeth Tetley, 1, born US

I couldn't find incoming US passenger lists for the 1890 voyages.

Jacquie

[J.J.]

Wow! Great sleuthing again Jacquie!! This may be John in 1881, already a tin worker!
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_4754070
Hopefully Cari's mother in law has ordered the marriage cert and you've put her well on her way!
She can find three other children listed with birth/christening dates https://www.familysearch.org/
also a baptism for a Jan 8 1862 birth date John and his baptism  Chapelry of Birkenshaw-cum-Hunsworth, Birkenshaw, York ( also same Chapelry for Elizabeth, Joseph & Harry to Wm & Sarah)

[J.J.]

Marriage Dec 1848 Bradford Yorks vol.23  p.277 has a Sarah Pickles on page J.J.
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Which leads me to this page which has the same families found by jacquie but no surname for Clara...so once the connection is proven you'll need to order a birth cert as well.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rftetley/dat50.html#12
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[17norman]

Thanks one and all- it's my husbands Grandmother we were looking for - he did not know wether it was Canada or USA - he has said her father was a tin smith - and Berkinshaw rang a bell it seems to be she was Elizabeth Tetley first married to George A North - he died in 1917 WW1 - she married then to a William Talbot in Dewsbury in 1918

 Regards Cari's mother in law