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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #45 on: Friday 07 October 11 18:45 BST (UK) »
There are quiet a few projects on the way which will see him back in the spotlight.

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #46 on: Friday 07 October 11 18:52 BST (UK) »
If you could keep me posted that would be great

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« Reply #47 on: Friday 07 October 11 18:53 BST (UK) »
Will do. 

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 22 November 11 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for the fantastic posts on here about the infamous and 'orrible Fred Deeming.  Thanks go especially to Mike Covell for his incredibly diligent and painstaking work - fascinating stuff!

Now, my great grandfather was James Patrick Deeming, born in Ashby de la Zouch in 1843 and died 1896 (though I'm still not sure if this date of death refers to the correct person - maybe the Death Certificate would reveal all).

This may be wishful thinking (if one really wants to be related morbidly to a terrible murderer), but my great grandpappy being born in the same town as Fred Deeming, in the same sort of era, makes it highly likely that there must be a link somewhere between them - but none found yet.

Any clues, please? - anyone?

Thanks.

Best wishes.

Dave Dee   :)


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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 22 November 11 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi maidmarianoop - thanks for the PM. Can't reply yet, I think, cos I'm a newbie, so I'm just posting a couple more "virtual" replies, to see if PM can be activated for me. Here goes, one more to follow.

Dave.  :)

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 22 November 11 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Second PM-activation message, maidmarionoop. With any luck, I may be able to reply to your PM now. Let's try!

ATB.

Dave.  :)

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 23 November 11 02:55 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday 23 November 11 10:11 GMT (UK) »
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sylvia

Thanks for your picture post, Sylvia. Where did this actually come from?

BTW, in my originating post, I made it seem as though Fred Deeming had been born in Ashby de la Zouch, but according to the article in your picture, Birkenhead was his birthplace, wasn't it? The 1861 Census has him as being born in Ashby. Need to get a Birth Certificate for him, I suppose, assuming it doesn't pre-date the GRO records. I can't imagine them getting Fred's birthplace wrong for that article, can you?

Anyway, wherever he was born, he was living in Ashby at the same time as my Great Grandfather James Patrick Deeming's birth in the same place. I'm now wondering why Fred Deeming's family happened to be in Ashby de la Zouch at that time. Will we ever be able to find out?

Incidentally, did you know that there used to be a waxwork of Frederick Deeming in the Chamber of Horrors at Madame Tussaud's, in London? My father took me to see him when I was a small kid. Now, the strange thing was, I grew up believing his Christian name was actually Francis, and when I first went online, I started looking for him under that. Obviously, I soon discovered the mistake. A year or so ago, a friend of mine lent me an old booklet he fortuitously had from Madame Tussaud's, with a mini-history of the place, and lo and behold! - Deeming was listed in there, sure enough, as "Francis Deeming" - so my childhood memory had been correct after all! Experience has told me that childhood memories are often essentially accurate. I've e-mailed Madame Tussaud's many times about this, have received not one human response, even though the auto-replies affirmed receipts of my enquiries. Maybe some of you stalwarts out there could could try!  :)

ATB, Dave.

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 23 November 11 12:17 GMT (UK) »
From the 1851 census, Thomas Deeming, the father of Frederick, was living in Ashby and his youngest son had been born in Atherstone in 1848. This means that they had moved there just before 1851, by which time, Samuel had moved to Leicester. If they had crossed paths, it was only briefly.

Samuel was much older than Thomas and born in Wilnecote. Thomas was about 34 years younger and born in Atherstone. The name and birth place of Thomas's father differ on the published trees but none mention Wilnecote. Therefore, it seems unlikely that they were close relatives but from roughly the same geographical area and so could have a common ancestor further back in time.

Frederick was definitely born in Ashby, where the birth was registered in Jul-Sep 1853.

Re the death of James in 1896, the family was living in Willenhall, near Wolverhampton, in 1891 and also in 1901, by which time James had died. The death registered in Wolverhampton district in Jul-Sep 1896 would seem to match that of your great grandfather.

Regards,
David