Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer

[dcbnwh]

Your information would seem to be correct.

Most of the Deeming records in Tranmere are now on Findmypast. They are well worth having because the images of the registers have signatures in their own hands, unlike certificates from the GRO.

The relevant baptism was at St Catherine's, Tranmere on 17th November 1878. Three children were baptized on the same day:-

Thomas Edward, Frederick William and Benjamin Getley.
Parents - Edward and Mary Jane Deeming. Edward was a whitesmith of 1 Church Road

Regards,
David

[dcbnwh]

On 3rd February 1895, Thomas Edward Deeming, a seaman, son of Edward Deeming, an engineer, married Alice Mary Martin in Southwark.

Assuming that he is the same person, he hasn't changed his name at that time.

I can't find Thomas on the later censuses but Alice is visiting a James Brent in Camberwell in 1901, the area where Edward is living.

There is a probable death for Alice in Jan-Mar 1911.

Three of Edward's other children all married as Deeming.

There is a son, Edward James, baptized on 15th Jan 1899 but died in 1901. Thomas is a Busman of 29 Stafford Street.

David

[bulky]

On 3rd February 1895, Thomas Edward Deeming, a seaman, son of Edward Deeming, an engineer, married Alice Mary Martin in Southwark.

Assuming that he is the same person, he hasn't changed his name at that time.

I can't find Thomas on the later censuses but Alice is visiting a James Brent in Camberwell in 1901, the area where Edward is living.

There is a probable death for Alice in Jan-Mar 1911.

Three of Edward's other children all married as Deeming.

There is a son, Edward James, baptized on 15th Jan 1899 but died in 1901. Thomas is a Busman of 29 Stafford Street.

David

Thanks David but you will find no records as my great grandfather was born Thomas Deeming but changed his name to Edward Arthur Secourable and later to Thomas Arthur Edward Getley none of which is in any records... marriage/census or otherwise.  He married Emily Beatrice Hallet in 1902 (Of the Halletts of Axmouth).  My grandfather was born in 1902 (Theodore Hothersall Getley) and his two brothers were born in 1899 and 1901 (Edward Arthur Hothersall Secourable and Thomas Alston Hothersall Getley) so I believe that this is a very different person to the one you mention

[dcbnwh]

Hi Andrew,

Since my last posting, I had found your tree on Ancestry and Edward Secourable on the 1901 census.

His birth matches that of Thomas Edward Deeming but, strangely, there is no birth registered for Deeming, Getley or Secourable in Liverpool in 1876.

Given the names that he used, you would imagine that he was the same person, except that there is a marriage for Thomas Edward Deeming.

This would suggest that they are two different people unless Thomas lead a double life, changing his name to conceal his identity.

He used the name Frank Secourable when he married in 1899. It would be interesting to see his signature on the register.

I notice that their first child had the surname of Secourable and the next two were Getley. Could this mean that they had different fathers, the second appearing after 1901? It seems strange that, if the father changed his surname, he didn't change that of his first son

According to the 1911 census, Emily married again c1909 but I can't find the record.

Quite a mystery.

Will be in touch re your personal message.

David.

[Ade3004]

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I am Adrian Getley(b1967), my Father is Lawrence Hallet Getley(b1936), his Father Thomas Alston Hothersall Getley(b1902). I'm new to this site and have been looking into wether we are related to Frederick Bailey Deeming. I've read many interesting posts relating to the subject and there are various members that I appear to be related to but don't actually know! I would be very interested in getting in contact with them!

[Ade3004]

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I'm new to this amazing site and there appear to be several people whom I am related to but don't actually know! I would be very much interested in getting in touch with "sooziwoozi". I am Adrian Getley, my Father's Father was Thomas Alston Hothersall Getley born 1902.

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