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Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« on: Saturday 05 March 11 10:14 GMT (UK) »
An Australian researcher is trying to trace relatives of Frederick Deeming whose family originated from Warwickshire.

Fred was hanged in Melbourne in 1892.

His father was Thomas Deeming, born in Atherstone in 1824, and he may still have relatives in the area.

They are trying to determine if a skull is that of Fred or the more famous Ned Kelly.

If anyone is able to help, I can pass on the details.

Regards,
David

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 March 11 16:48 GMT (UK) »
I take it you want living relatives to submit to DNA testing to establish the source of the skull.
I'm afraid we don't search for living relatives.I suggest advertising in local papers or searching the "surnames" at the top of this page & see if anyone else is researching the same family,you can then send them a personal message.

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 March 11 09:17 GMT (UK) »
Nobody seems to be searching the surname on Rootschat and articles have appeared in several newspapers, including at least one national, without success.

I wouldn't expect anyone to carry out a detailed search but perhaps the name might ring a bell somewhere.

David

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 March 11 11:36 GMT (UK) »
Someone on Ancestry has Thomas in their Tree and seem to have been descended from Thomas Bailey Demming 1849.

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 March 11 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Trish,

That is the right family. The tree might be one whose owner I have tried to contact but have had no reply as yet.

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David

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 March 11 12:47 GMT (UK) »
What a shame ::)
I have been reading up on Frederick and I must say I had never heard of him before.

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 March 11 13:23 GMT (UK) »
If it were possible to trace the Deeming family in England through to the present day, mention of any descendants who may still be living can be exchanged via PM.

From wiki:
Frederick Bailey Deeming (30 July 1853 – 23 May 1892) was an English-born Australian murderer.
Deeming was born in Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicestershire, England, son of Thomas Deeming, brazier, and his wife Ann, née Bailey.

It's a fascinating project David. I really hope you are successful in your search.

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 March 11 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Have you traced the family through the censuses? I note that in 1861 they are living in Cheshire - there are 5 other sons.  :)

Are you looking for a male relative for the DNA test? Which lines would be best to try to trace? Would sons of Frederick's brothers be able to be tested?

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Re: Frederick Deeming - Notorious murderer
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 March 11 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Frederick had loads of siblings! Mother Ann died between 1871 and 1881.

Thomas lived in Birkenhead in 1881. There are several marriages for Deeming boys in Birkenhead who may fit in with this family.

I'm sure all of this must have been already researched by anyone looking for living Deemings as the information seems fairly easy to obtain. There are a lot of Deemings in Warwickshire.

David do you happen to know what has already been researched so we don't go over old ground?  :)
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