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Re: john johnson
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 March 11 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Shane i really appreciate your work you do for this site i now know he d  left the Coombe i just have to keep searching for him. My sister enquired would Teresa Egan before she married my gt gt grandad  name have been misspelt as we only have her maiden name lawless then egan  and Johnson.

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 March 11 18:43 GMT (UK) »
One detail to watch out for with directories is that they could sometimes be a little out of date... so it is possible that John died before 1869 or even 1868.

What's the latest record you have for him ?

Marriage certs would usually mention a wifes' former surname and maiden name. You can usually tell which is the maiden surname by checking her father's surname on the cert.


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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 March 11 19:41 GMT (UK) »
Shane for john johnson my sister who is helping me found his name in a dublin directory i think it was 1869 . When he married my gt gt grandmother Teresa her maiden name is lawless as i found on her marriage cert her fathers name was Timothy lawless and giving her address at 79 coombe.
John johnson as my mother used to say he went to the states and had money but when his daughter ellen married someone he didnt approve of left her no money again this is hearsay Shane on Ellen's marriage cert to Richard Bowes dated 1884 john johnson was down as deceased . Ellens address was given as Tenters fields what area was that in my sister said it might have been near the Coombe . Thanks fran

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 March 11 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Tenter fields was near to Leonard's Corner - just to the north west.

It's shown on the c1890s OSI Map (25" Historic) : Tenter Field's


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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 March 11 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Shane that address was given in 1884 would it still be there i had heard of the tenters around Donore ave it that near to Tenters fields.

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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 05 March 11 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Tenter Fields were some kind of Market gardens, but the area was build over at some stage.

Donore avenue is quite close to the the location, and slightly to the west.


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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 March 11 20:22 GMT (UK) »
Shane ive just looked on tenters fields it was great to see the area on the map some of those streets have come up for my ancestors on the 1901 and 11 Census like chambers st and Brown st i now know the family all seem to have lived around the Coombe.  Would you know Shane what site if i wanted to look for passengers going to usa around 1870s im going to try for john johnson .
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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 05 March 11 20:29 GMT (UK) »
for immigration records to the the USA during the 1870s you can try Castle Garden. It was the major centre in the New York area before Ellis Island opened.  There were other routes to the USA including through Canada.

The WebSite is : http://www.castlegarden.org/

The earlier records can be very basic.




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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 06 March 11 19:09 GMT (UK) »
The Tenter fields would have taken their name from where the weavers in the area would have their cloth stretched out for drying.
Here's a bit of history of the area:

The Tenters:
At a later stage in its history the Liberties became a Huguenot settlement. The Huguenots were French Protestants who suffered religious persecution and fled to Ireland in 1685. They were skilled weavers who created an industrial centre in the area. They started their business around the area now called Weaver’s Square. They taught the people of Dublin how to weave silk and poplin. At first, everything seemed to prosper and many more people came to live in the area. However, difficulties arose because of the Irish weather. The cloth needed to be stretched and dried on tenter hooks in the fields between what is now O’Curry Avenue and Clarence Mangan Road. In 1814 Thomas Pleasants built a stone Tenter House on the land between Cork Street, Brickfield Lane, Brown Street and Ormond Street. The success of Dublin poplin was disastrous for the English cotton and woolen industries. The English Government issued new rules (no material may come to Ireland without first coming through England) and new taxes. This eventually caused the weaving industry in Dublin to decline. This area was still an open field at the beginning of this century. After the decline of the linen trade, the land was used for market gardening until the houses in the Tenters were built around 1922; the year of construction has been marked on the front walls of some of the houses. Many of the street names in the Tenters have literary associations, e.g. Oscar Square (after Oscar Wilde), Clarence Mangan (after James Clarence Mangan, the poet), Ingram Road (after Sir John Kells Ingram, the poet). The houses in Rutledge Terrace were built between 1898 and 1910 by Robert and Andrew Rutledge, the same builder who built houses in Francis Street and Golden Lane.

On another note before the Lamplighter pub on the Coombe took that name it was known as The Weavers.