1861 census

[shirley1]

I believe now that Jane is the daughter of William James and Jane? On 1881  census Jane (mother) is a widow and her daughter Jane is living with her. Melbourne. Jane (mother) is 61 and daughter is 20. I have found the death of a William  James who died Dec. Qu. 1872. Not sure of who Jane is and wondering if Jane was their only child

[KGarrad]

So Frederick James (the original subject of this thread) is no longer of interest?

Perhaps you start from the beginning and tell us exactly what you are seeking, and what you already know?

[suzard]

Melbourne, Derbyshire comes under the Shardlow district.

There are 2 births for a Jane James in Shardlow, between 1856 and 1861:

Mar qtr 1859
Dec qtr 1860


The 2nd Jane James (1860) is the daughter of William & Jane James of New Yard Melbourne (RG09/2489/60/13).

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It seems KGarrard found the family a few posts back

It seems (if of course you have the correct jane for your research) that you just tried to make her "fit" with Frederick and wife

It looks like the Frederick James who married 1856 derby district -married Elizabeth Boden -not jane Davy

this seems to be Jane from 1881 census - mother Jane -and her siblings and parents

1871
New Yard melbourne Derbys
William James Head M 56 Hawker of Earthenware ??Derbys
Jane wife 52 Derby Derbyshire
Mary daughter 18 Lace Glove Stitcher Melbourne derbys
Joseph son 15 Farm Boy Melbourne
Jane daughter 10 melbourne
RG10 3552 78 10

1861
New Yard melbourne
William James head M 47 Coal Higgler
Jane wife 41
Sarah James daughter 12 Silk Winder
Hannahjames  daughter 12 12 Silk Winder
Mary Willm James daughter 8 scholar
Joseph Willm James son 5 scholar
Jane James daughter under 4 (or 1?) month
all b Melbourne
RG9 2489 60 13

1851
???anch Croft
Derby Rd Melbourne
William James Head M 38 labourer & potter Hartshorn Derbys
Jane James wife 32 Glove stitcher Melbourne derbys
William Willn step son 13 errand boy melbourne
Elizabeth james sdaughter 11 Nurse girl Derby Hills
Thomas W james son 9 derby Hills
Sarah James daughter 4 melbourne
Hnnah James dauhgter 2 melbourne
HO107 2140 319 3

the family are proving difficult to find in 1841

marriagereg
freeBMD
Dec qtr 1838
Shardlow
William James
Jane Will?
19 537

Check you have the correct jane though before you enter themon your tree!!!

Suz

[shirley1]

Thanks for the census results. I did more research also I found William and Jane's marriage in 1838 .In fact there are 2 results on Family search  One has them marrying 18 Oct 1838 and the other is Sept 23 1838. It has her last name as Willm But  2 of the children are Mary Wyln and Joseph Joseph Wyln James .Thomas b1842  has the spelling Wilmn .Your info is much appreciated All I have to do now see if I can find the birth of William and Jane

[KGarrad]

It seems KGarrard found the family a few posts back

Tut! Tut! Spelling!! 

Just looked at the original indexes for the marriage.
Jane's surname is typed up as WILLN.

[suzard]

Apologies - too many "r"'s - I must have been an enumerator in a past life!!!!!!

Suz

[KGarrad]

Strange!
It seems to be a more common mistake today, than it was in years gone by? 

I have yet to find a mis-spelled Garrad on a census.
One set of divorce papers, yes.

Oh well, I have learned to live with it!!

If only I could lay claim to the fortune of the former Crown Jewellers (Garrad & Sons) or the record-deck manufacturers?!?! 

[burritopasta]

Hi Shirley! Thanks for doing this. It is indeed William James and Jane James who is in my tree. Will look for more