mary canvan

[Digger88]

Mary Cooke of Ireland married Henry Canvan 28/4/1934 St Nicholas, Liverpool. They had a daughter, Mary Ann b. 2/2/1839 in Liverpool.
Can anyone please find the 1841 and 1851 census for then?

Mary Ann and James Hickson started having children in 1858 or 9 in Liverpool (cant find a marriage)  and more subsequently in Cheshire - Their census records from 1861 unwards are OK.

In 1881 Irish Mary turns up with them as Mother-in-Law - she died in 1885.

[CaroleW]

Mary Ann and James Hickson started having children in 1858 or 9 in Liverpool

In 1861 they are living in Cheshire and are childless. 

James Hickson 25 b Barnton - waterman
Mary Ann 21 b Liverpool
RG9 Piece 2600 Folio 26 Page 16

[CaroleW]

I think Mary Ann Canvan may have become Mary Ann Campbell

Marriages September qtr 1860   
Mary Ann Campbell  Liverpool  8b 102   
James Hickson   

Per Lancashire BMD - the marriage was at St Peters

EDIT - marriage is on the Beta site and father was James Campbell

[Digger88]

Carole, Many thanks for your replys, could you please explain what the 'beta site' is and how it works.  I did find this Campbell marriage, and questioned it - the reply I got was that there is no marriage for a Mary Canvan. Her 'husband' James Hickson was a Waterman/Flatman, is is possible they had an on-board wedding?

[CaroleW]

Hi

It's the new IGI website https://beta.familysearch.org/

I would honestly doubt they had a wedding aboard a barge.   

[Curly]

Hi Digger,
You have your hands full with this one i can tell you, and am not sure which line you are chasing, but it gets deeper later on.
I have the Marriage Cert' for Mary Ann and James Hickson which was on the 3rd of September 1960 at Liverpool Parish Church, and confirms CaroleW's post.
James Hickson. Full age. Batch'. Flatman. Res'.Cable St. Father John Hickson. Flatman.
Mary Ann Campbell. 'Minor'. Spinster. No Occ' given. Res. Cable St. Father. James Campbell. Porter.  Witness's. Ann. H. Jones. and Joseph Fernandez.
As you can see she is listed as a Minor, which if your Birth Date of the 2./2.1839 is the correct one this would not be the case, but you may have a cert' which suggests the Cert' is wrongly stated.
I have previously requested searches on this subject from the kind people on the site, and as they found [ and separately i did], there are unfortunately many options that 'could' fit the names.
In regard to the children of James H' and Mary Ann, as Carole said the 1861 Census shows no children, but subsequent ones do show a Sarah Anne as being born approx' 1959, which is what you 'may' be referring to.   However her marriage in 1881,gave her Father as again, a James Campbell. Ship Builder, which could indicate that Mary Ann had been previously married, or had her out of wedlock.   I have not got to the bottom of this one either, but that's another story!
Curley.

[Digger88]

Hello Curley, (& CaroleW),
Thanks for your input. Yes, this has been a far from simple matter. I can confirm that I am happy that I have the right birth cert. for Mary Ann Canvan; but it is strange that they all seem to vanish after that birth, in 1839, until the 1861 census. But its only James and Mary Ann (no sign of Mary's parents or her 1st child Sarah Ann. There would appear to be Canavans and Cannavans as variations, that might fit.
Agreed the Campbell marriage has to be a red herring. A possibility is that with Mary Ann's mother being Irish that Mary (Cook(e) and Henry Canvan) went there and Mary Ann and James H. went there to get married. Or just did not bother, which seems rather odd.
Regards, Digger

[Curly]

Hi Digger,
Sorry but i am a little confused now, with your statement at the end about Mary Ann and James Hickson possibly going to Ireland to get married, or not getting married at all ?
I confirm again, that the details i sent were those on the Marriage Cert' for J H' and Mary Ann, and that is the family which Mary Canvan was living with in 1881 at Barnton!
In turn i may have confused you with my remark about Sarah Anne as a child in the Hickson family, by saying ' that is another story'.   I certainly did not mean that the Campbell marriage was a 'red herring', rather i meant, treat it separately for the time being.
I do think it is important because it adds weight to a link with Mary Canvan.
On the birth certificate you have for Mary Ann Canvan in 1839, what are the details given for her Father Henry [ i assume he is Irish too]?
In my search for the Canvan's i found a couple of 'possibilities' which matched Mary, but with the large number of options, you need all the information you can get to start with.
I also know from years of searching Certificates, and even my Parents details on their Marriage Cert', that people will say many untruths for all kinds of reasons, which can throw you off the trail.
Cheers, Curley

[Digger88]

Hi Curley,
Would you be willing to send me a copy of the Campbell marriage cert? I would certainly like to see it.
There is a 1871 census for Henry James Canvan (28Yr / b1843 Liverpool), Mary, his wife (40Yr / b1831 Stockport), and Daughter Mary Ann (12Yr / b1859 Liverpool) and Margaret A. Reilly, Step-Daughter (15Yr / b 1856 Liverpool). I have dismissed this as being a totally separate family, although there are similaraties.
Mary Ann's birth cert: Born in Barter St., St. Thomas, Liverpool. Fa=Henry Canvan a Labourer, he signed his name & address (no other info) Ma=Mary Canvan nee Cook(e) (no other info.) Residence is Pownall St.
I only know about Ma=Mary Cook/Canvan as Irish from census info. Since I cant find Pa=Henry Canvan on any census, I dont know where he was born.
Cheers, Digger