St Sepuchre Marriage 1803 Power/Chandler- Look up please

[Wortle]

Hi I am hoping to glean some more information about the parents of David S Power born Cork, from his marriage to Sophia Chandler on feb 28 1803.
Many thanks

[MaryA]

1803 St Marylebone, Westminster
No. 1318 David Power of the Parish of Saint Andrew Holborn in the County of Middlesex Bachelor and Sophia Chandler of this Parish Spinster were married in this Church by Licence, this twentyeighth day of February in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Three By me Chas Brent Barry
This marriage was solemnized between us David Power Sophia Chandler
In the Presence of Cornl Egan Ant? Buller?  Sarah Chandler

Marriages prior to 1837 were not in the same format as they were after Civil Registration so no father's details were given.

If you can discover where the licences are archived you might glean a little more information but often not a lot.

[Wortle]

That was quick. Many thanks. Had a squint and cant improve on your witness...couldnt be colonel could it?

Looks like have run into a brick wall with David.

I believe Sarah is her mother, which in turn suggests her father was not there, so perhaps dead? I believe he was Thomas Francis.. So if anyone has any further information they can add I would be interested

[MaryA]

I would surmise that Corl might be short for Cornelius.  Ant? Buller? seems to be a separate name altogether.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that her father was dead, more that Sophia chose a female witness, much as we would have a bridesmaid or matron of honour nowadays, this might be either her mother or sister.

I wouldn't leave any stone unturned, just in case it turned up some unexpected information so if it were me I would enquire if the licence or allegation was still available.  I know Allegations for Lancashire are held in Cheshire, but don't know if that is a central collection for all the country or whether those for London would be held elsewhere, perhaps ask the question - maybe in the Common Room?  If it is found it wouldn't cost a lot, perhaps £3-4, so cheaper than a more modern certificate.

[Eyesee]

Some allegations for that time and earlier are on London Signatures at LMA. Can't remember the web address but if you Google it you will find it. You can download them like wills etc from TNA, £4 each from memory

Ian C

[Wortle]

Thanks both,

I have seen a copy of the allegation and it has no further information.

[djo_power]

Hello MaryA and Wortle

My name is David Power and I am the GGG-grandson of the David S Power you were enquiring about in 2011. 

Mary You wrote in a previous posting, in response to Wortle's request for a 'lookup':

1803 St Marylebone, Westminster
No. 1318      David Power       of the Parish
of Saint Andrew Holborn in the County of Middlesex
Bachelor and Sophia Chandler of this Parish Spinster were
married in this Church by Licence,
this Twenty eighth day of February in the Year One Thousand
Eight Hundred and Three                By me Chas Brent Barry
This marriage was solemnized between us ( David Power
                                                              ( Sophia Chandler
In the Presence of    ( Cornl Egan     Sarah Chandler
            ( Ant? Buller? 

Now I have certified copy of Page 440 of the Marriage Register of "St Mary-le-bone, in the County of Middlesex" ('Westminster' is not mentioned, nor is 'St Sepulchre').  This copy is dated 11 Feb 1927 and has been most beautifully written out.  (The spacing of words within each line is much as I have rendered it above).  Except for the page number and the 'Westminster' issue, my copy is the same as Mary's.  According to the then scribe, the male witnesses were Cornelius Egan and Richard Butler (where the letters in RED were omitted but the final s and d are 'superscripted'.  The s in 'Chas' is likewise superscripted).  Sophia's parents were Thomas and Sarah (nee Lewer), I have noted they were married in 1771 at St Sepulchre in Holborn but I can't quote proof this minute.

So Mary, given that there are some minor differences between my copy and what you told Wortle, may I please ask what your source was?  And how you managed to respond to Wortle almost as soon as he asked the Q??  That was amazing!  However would I be correct in thinking you have no personal interest in DSP, just that you responded to Wortle's cry for help?

The wedding was reported in The Gentleman's Magazine and other journals of the day, one of which suggested Sophia had a 'considerable fortune'!

Now Wortle, like you, I have found getting further back than this wedding is difficult.  Someone with a paid membership to Ancestry has David in his family tree and has his DoB as 1780.  This sounds right - but I'm not a paid member so I can't access the record!   I have some hypotheses about a possible father that sound credible, but sounding credible is a long way off proof.

Going the other way, David and Sophia had 6 children, 3 of whom had children who survived to adulthood.  While there are some loose ends, I've got a handle on most of these.

Wortle, I would be very keen to discuss this topic further with you.  I'm hoping that although you haven't been on this site for a while, that my post will trigger a reminder message to you.

Mary, if I may impose further on you please - will this happen?  If not, is there any other way of getting a message to Wortle?

Best regards   David Power, Melbourne Australia

PS - what does the 'S' stand for?  I haven't seen it mentioned before

[Wortle]

Thanks David for the extra information.

Your 1927 copy sounds very interesting if a little while itself from an event..I wonder why someone was looking then? Genealogy or fortune seeking? Or were they copying damaged records?

I havent been tracing this line any further due to 2 reasons. It is my son-in-laws, so something I was doing out of interest, seeing what I could glean for free, and not really prepared to spend a lot of money on. I also had a huge computer melt down and my files are in such a mess, some corrupted some ok, its almost better to start everything again and cross reference, rather than spend hours trying to regroup. (Back up hard drive failed to start when reaccessed) have learnt the hard way that 2 back ups are essential. PM me if you want to.

[djo_power]

Hi thanks for getting back Wortle!
I am new here so will have to learn how to PM, if it seems too hard I will post again here
David