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Re: McLean
« Reply #81 on: Tuesday 15 March 11 21:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello Powerhouse....

Here's some more grist for the mill.
I've verified none of it so caveat emptor cave cane grain of salt etc.

Coll Marriages 1821-1855
John McLEAN of Feall to Breadalbane McLEAN of Totronald - Apr 16 1822

Coll Births & Baptisms 1821-1855
Children of John and Breadalbane McLEAN

Mary - 30 Apr 1823
Donald - 13 Jun 1825
Hector - 21 Dec 1826 (mother Bredalbine)
Allan - 02 Sep 1829
Alexander - 27 Jun 1832
John - 08 Jul 1834
Flora - 21 Oct 1836
Roderick - Jan 27 1841

Source : http://www.collgenealogy.com/OPR.html

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I'm beginning to think that the letter I have was written to Grandmother Breadalbane's mother, and I don't know her first name. 

LDS Family Search lists the mother of a Breadalbane McLEAN born 28 Feb 1868 in Govan, Lanark, Scotland as Flora McLEAN. This birth is also found on Scotland's People and may (or may not) have more info than LDS but you have to pay to view.

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Beg



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Re: McLean
« Reply #82 on: Tuesday 15 March 11 23:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello again,

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Coll Marriages 1821-1855
John McLEAN of Feall to Breadalbane McLEAN of Totronald - Apr 16 1822


It's handy researching such a distinctive name as Breadalbane.

At the above link to Coll genealogy there is a baptism for a Breadalbane McLEAN of Totronald on 11 Oct 1800, daughter of Donald and Ann McLEAN.

And maybe it's possible that the Donald and Ann mentioned are Donald McLEAN and Ann McDONALD of Totronald, married 10 Jan 1804, also mentioned at the Coll genealogy link.

Assuming Breadalbane McLEAN and Albane HARRIS are one and the same it's seems possible to trace six, possibly seven generations from Totronald, Scotland through to Gisborne, NZ.

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Beg


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Re: McLean
« Reply #83 on: Thursday 17 March 11 02:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello again...was just trolling the web (as you do) and spotted the name Breadalbane Flora McLEAN. She died in 1968 aged 61 in Vernon, British Columbia, Canada.

If you're interested you could post a request on the Canada board asking for some advice on tracing her.

I know it's an assumption but the Canada connection plus the names Breadalbane and Flora must surely link into your tree somewhere.

EDIT:
Ooops....forgot that a link has yet to be proven between your family and the letter writer (Allan McLEAN). The obvious path is to verify that Allan's younger sister Flora is your grandmother's mother.


Here's Breadalbane Flora McLEAN's 1968 record of death from B.C Archives

Vital Event Death Registration

Name: Breadalbane Flora McLEAN

Event Date: 1968 9 25 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age: 61
Gender: female
Event Place: Vernon
                                   
Reg. Number:    1968-09-013124
B.C. Archives Microfilm Number:  B13292
GSU Microfilm Number: 2034053

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Beg

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Re: McLean
« Reply #84 on: Thursday 17 March 11 04:56 GMT (UK) »
I'm smiling Beg  :)
I live in Vernon, BC and that Breadalbane Flora is my dear Aunt Flora and my father's twin sister, and I knew her well.  I'm always amazed with what all of you come up with. And I thank you so very much!

Looking at the Coll marriages, you'll notice the birth date of the son Allan - Sept 1829. That matches to NZ Allan. He marries Amelia in July,1888, he was 58, would have been 59 in Sept. 1829 + 59 = 1888, the year they got married.

In this letter (we presume Allan's) he includes a part of a letter from John, who begins with "My Dear Brother" and goes on to say that he (John) had been talking to Roderick.
I think they were all brothers as they are in the list of John and Breadalbane McLean's children listed under their marriage 1822.
 
So again I think we're on the right track. ;D


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Re: McLean
« Reply #85 on: Friday 18 March 11 04:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello Powerhouse...Quite a lengthy post (sorry) which may lead nowhere, so feel free to ignore it until you're in the mood.

Ignoring assumptions for the moment :-) I was trying to find a way to connect your paternal grandmother Breadalbane to the letter writer, Allan McLEAN, which should hopefully bring this thread to a conclusion.

I'm guessing your grandmother Breadalbane is Allan's niece, the daughter of his sister Flora.

The only way I could find to *perhaps* definitively connect niece Breadalbane and her Uncle Allan is by using Scotland's People. It will cost you £6.00 ($10.00) which gives you thirty credits.

Here's how, but it's not guaranteed to work so you may want to wait in case someone else thinks of a less expensive way.

You will be searching the Statutory Registers at Scotland's People

Statutory Registers - Deaths 1855-2009

Fill in the following search boxes as follows:

Surname: McLEAN
Surname Option: Exact surnames only
Forename: Bread  (not Breadalbane, just Bread)
Forename Option: Forenames that begin with
Year Range: 1855 to 2009
County/City/Minor Records: All records
District: All districts

Leave the other search boxes as they are.
This will return seven hits from the *index* of deaths (not the *register* of deaths). To view the seven hits will cost you one of your credits.

Two of the seven deaths listed will be your grandmother and, I'm guessing, her grandmother (Flora and Allan's mother who you found out recently was also called Breadalbane).

You said in an earlier post that your grandmother died in 1944. I'm guessing this is the *index* record "Breadalbane McLEAN, born in 1868, died in 1944, death registered in North Bute".

There is another *index* record for a (note the spelling) "Breadalbine McLEAN, born in 1802, died in 1870, death registered in the district of Govan, in the county of Lanark". I think this is your grandmother's grandmother. She and her husband John are mentioned in the 1861 census aged 60 and 78 respectively but not in the 1871 census (or not that I could see).

You want to view and download the 1870 *register* entry for Breadalbane's death. Viewing and downloading an image from the death *register* costs five of your credits. Save the image to your computer.

You may also want to view and download your grandmother's death *register* entry as it may have some helpful information. This will cost another five credits.

You may also want to note down the other five hits from the *index* of deaths as they may come in handy at a later date, if you continue researching.

Halfway there....bear with me :-)


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Re: McLean
« Reply #86 on: Friday 18 March 11 04:19 GMT (UK) »
You now want to search the birth *index* for your grandmother who you say was born in 1868.

Scotland's People

Statutory Registers - Births 1855-2009

Fill in the following search boxes:

Surname: McLEAN
Surname Option: Exact surnames only
Forename: Brea (not Breadalbane, just Brea)
Forename Option: Forenames that begin with
Year Range: 1855 to 2009
County/City/Minor Records: All records
District: All districts

Leave the other search boxes as they are.
This will return three hits from the *index* of births. To view the three hits will cost you another one of your credits.

The only birth you're interested in at the moment is the 1868 birth of your grandmother but you may also want to make a note of the other two hits from the *index* of births as they too may come in handy at a later date.

Spend another five of your credits and view/download the image of the birth *register* entry for your grandmother.

It's a flimsy premise for such a long-winded post but hopefully (fingers crossed) there is something linking the 1868 register entry of your grandmother's birth to the 1870 register entry of your (assumed) great-great-grandmother's death. Although both birth and death are registered in the same district (Govan) and the same county (Lanark) hopefully there is something more specific. As the events are only two years apart ideally there will be a common address. Or a common informant with a distinctive name......clutching at straws?

If that doesn't work then as a last ditch effort (and to use up the remainder of your credits) you could always download your grandparent's marriage register entry.

Scotland's People

Statutory Registers - Marriages 1855-2009

Fill in the following search boxes:

Male Surname: McLEAN
Surname Option: Exact surnames only
Forename: Dugald
Forename Option: Forenames that begin with

Female Surname: ***leave this blank***
Surname Option: Exact surnames only
Forename: Bread (not Breadalbane, just Bread)
Forename Option: Forenames that begin with

Year Range: 1855 to 2009
County/City/Minor Records: All records
District: All districts

Interestingly (or not) this brings up two hits. Both are marriages to Dugald McLEAN in 1893 and both took place in Rothesay, Bute. But one marriage is for Breadalbane McLEAN and the other is for Breadalbane McKAY. Not sure if that's a transcription error or two seperate marriages. Seems fishy.

If this marriage register entry doesn't help link Breadalbane (1868-1944) to Breadalbane (1802-1870) then the only other path I can think of is to start tracing Flora, your grandmother's mother. But that's another thread.....

......although for the record the 1871 census has Flora returned to Coll, Argyll with no mention of her daughter. Flora is aged 33 living with her brother Donald (not Donald born in 1825 but another Donald born about 1843). Your grandmother may have been raised by her Aunt Mary as the 1881 census infers (or not :-)


Regards
Beg

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Re: McLean
« Reply #87 on: Friday 18 March 11 21:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Beg,
Just to let you know I will need a few days to sift through all the information you have  sent.  You have some info in there that I am aware of and I'll  need to separate that from what I don't know.
So, I appreciate your research and will get back to you when I have straightened the info in my mind.
I think I need to make up a chart that I can see.  I'm one of those 'visual' people.
Thanks again . . . . ;D

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Re: McLean
« Reply #88 on: Saturday 19 March 11 00:21 GMT (UK) »
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I think I need to make up a chart that I can see.  I'm one of those 'visual' people.


Hello Powerhouse...Agree with the visual thing so whether you like it or not :-) I've just emailed you a pdf of the tree I built up as I went along. It's bare-bones but should give you a rough idea. Hope it helps. (And hope it's not too wrong)

Regards
Beg

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Re: McLean
« Reply #89 on: Saturday 19 March 11 07:52 GMT (UK) »
I just had a quick look at your chart Beg, and by the looks of it you're not far wrong!
I will print that out and make changes if need be.
Thanks for hanging in there with me, we'll get to the bottom of this mystery man yet! :)