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Re: McLean
« Reply #90 on: Saturday 19 March 11 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Is there anything left to find in New Zealand?

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Althea

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Re: McLean
« Reply #91 on: Saturday 19 March 11 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello Althea...

I think there's two more connections to be proven, one in NZ and one in Scotland. And, as ever, it's all coming down to money.

The NZ connection is fairly easy to prove/disprove. Purchase the 1945 death certificate of Albane HARRIS and hope her parents are listed as Allan and Amelia McLEAN. If that's the case then likely descendants of Albane HARRIS have already been traced but I believe Powerhouse has yet to make contact. Which is a wise move until the Scotland connection is proven.

Proving that Powerhouse's grandmother is Allan McLEAN's niece is the problem. As I see it at least two but possibly as many as six BDM register images need to purchased from Scotland's People. And there's still no guarantee that any of them will help. But as they're only £1 per image I think it's a worthwhile gamble. (I wish we had something like that in NZ)

If worse comes to worst the 1911 Scottish Census comes on-line in a fortnight. It looks very detailed. Maybe the Flora McLEAN b.1837 d.1912 in Coll, Argyll is Allan's sister and is listed as living with her daughter and son-in-law who just happen to be Powerhouse's grandparents. Wouldn't that be nice :-)

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Re: McLean
« Reply #92 on: Sunday 20 March 11 00:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Beg
to save me looking at all the posts did that Albane Harris (age at death)
match the school record proof we had of
Breadalbane
born 11 Feb 1891
daughter of Allan at Nuhaka
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Althea

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Re: McLean
« Reply #93 on: Sunday 20 March 11 01:14 GMT (UK) »
Hello Althea....

BDM Historical reference 1945/26254 records Albane HARRIS as having died on 14 Oct 1945 aged 54. This gives her a birth year of 1891, the same as Breadalbane McLEAN. District keys says in Gisborne.

Her death notice says "Aged 50" so I hope BDM NZ is right.


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Re: McLean
« Reply #94 on: Monday 04 April 11 22:02 BST (UK) »
May I add a brief comment or two?

Breadalbane McLean was the daughter of Donald McLean and Ann McLean at Totranald on Coll.  She was born c.1800 and was the youngest sister of the Donald McLean who married Ann McDonald in 1804.

She married John McLean, son of Hector McLean and Flora McNiven, on April 16, 1822 and they had 8 recorded children; Mary, born c.1823
Donald, born c.1825
Hector, born c.1826
Allan, born c.1829
Alexander, born c.1832
John, born c.1834
Flora, born c.1836
Roderick, born c.1841

Of these, Mary married Archibald Campbell, son of John Campbell, sometime ferryman at Caolis on Coll, and his wife Flora McKinnon.  Mary and Archibald had no issue it appears.  They lived for a number of years on Bute where they both died, Archibald in 1888, Mary in 1902.

Flora also left Coll and moved to Glasgow.  In 1871 she was acting as Housekeeper to her brothers Hector and Roderick in Govan, having given birth to her daughter Breadalbane in Glasgow in 1868.  Flora later married a Murdoch MacKay in Glasgow in 1874 and Breadalbane went to live with her Aunt Flora in Bute, where she later married Dugald McLean in 1893.  Breadalbane and Dugald had three recorded children; Charles (1902), Breadalbane Flora (1907) and Dugald Campbell (1907).

Flora McLean and her husband Murdoch MacKay had 5 children, all born in Glasgow, between 1874 and 1883.

Hector, brother of Flora and Mary, did not marry.  He drowned in the River Clyde at Glasgow in July 1876.




 

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Re: McLean
« Reply #95 on: Monday 04 April 11 22:32 BST (UK) »
Hello CraigHill....

i) Welcome to Rootschat :-)

and

ii) where were you for the last six weeks :-)

You've obviously got the inside scoop on the McLeans of Coll as a few of the things you mention haven't been mentioned on the public board. I know that Powerhouse (the original poster) will love to hear from you.

I'd love to hear where you got the info from. Would you mind citing a few sources. That would be the icing on the cake.

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Beg

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Re: McLean
« Reply #96 on: Tuesday 05 April 11 02:21 BST (UK) »
Wow! That was a surprise from CraigHill  ;D

I have been holding on to a lot of info that I got from Scotlands people until tomorrow, when I can finally get the last piece of the link from Scotland's 1911 Census.
It will verify that Flora McKay (wife of Murdoch) from Glasgow was indeed my great-grandmother.
What I didn't know was the link to Archibald and Mary Campbell. I have an 1881 Census that shows my grandmother living with them when she was 11 years old.
Correct me if I'm wrong CraigHill, but I think you meant that Breadalbane (my grandmother) went to live with her aunt Mary in Bute, not Flora.
Thank you CraigHill for your information  :) I am the daughter of Dugald Campbell McLean, and now I know where his middle name came from.
So Mary and Archibald Campbell are a significant link to the puzzle!
I think much of the information I didn't have was because of my grandmother being born 'illegitimate' and that was considered shameful back then, so was never talked about.
Thank goodness the world has changed.  :)
I will look forward to any other information you have CraigHill.

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Re: McLean
« Reply #97 on: Tuesday 05 April 11 22:28 BST (UK) »
Firstly, apologies to Powerhouse;  I did indeed mean that Breadalbane went to live on Bute with her Aunt Mary.

Secondly, Begclonrode asked for some sources - which I am happy to provide.  There are the Scottish Statutory Records of course which include the Coll Old Parish Registers of Births and Baptisms and which are available via ScotlandsPeople.  But there was also a "Church" Census carried out on Coll in 1776 and a transcription of this is available for download at www.collgenealogy.com, together with transcriptions of the OPRs mentioned above and the Coll census returns 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871.  There are a number of other resources available on this site which you might find of interest.  Another useful source - certainly for the McLeans we are talking about - is the Rev A MacLean Sinclair's history of the clan Maclean published at the end of the 19th century, "The Clan Gillean".  You will find mention of the Donald McLean who married Ann McLean under the heading "The McLeans of Auchnasaul".  These McLeans were descended from Allan McLean of Auchnasaul, first son of the 5th Laird of Coll by his second marriage, so the line can be traced back to the first chief of the Duart family.  These I think were my main sources, but others crop up, local newspapers in later times, correspondence via message boards etc.

Turning back to Breadalbane (1800 - 1870), some find it difficult to accept that she was the 12th child in a family whose first child, an Ann, was born no later than 1769.  But it is possible, assuming that her mother Ann McLean married at around 16 years of age.  It is true that there was another couple of the same names at Feall producing children around the same time but the baptism of their daughter Ann in 1789 is noted in the OPR with the note that she was a posthumous child, her father pre-deceased her birth.

Breadalbane's husband John died on Coll in 1863, and Breadalbane seems to have moved to Glasgow some time after that where she lived with her sons Hector and Roderick.  Son John seems also to have been in Glasgow at this time although I have not come across him in the records so far.  Certainly he was in Glasgow in 1870 when he registered his mother's death, and in1876 when he purchased a burial lair for his brother Hector.  Breadalbane's daughter Flora presumably joined Hector's and Roderick's household, although I understand she had previously been employed elsewhere as firstly a dairymaid and then as housekeeper to a Free Church Minister.  Breadalbane died in Glasgow on Dec. 10, 1870.

Breadalbane, daughter of Flora, was born in 1868 and appears in the 1871 Census as Breadalbane McKinnon - which I assume tells us the surname of her true father. 

A few years ago I had a brief exchange via GenesReunited with a lady who was a granddaughter of Donald MacKay, son of Murdoch and Flora McLean.  This Donald apparently had 6 children, 4 sons and 2 daughters, by his wife, a Mary Lawrie.   My correspondent said that Flora's daughter Breadalbane seemed to have been readily accepted by the MacKay family and that her mother had often holidayed on Bute with her.  She remembered her aunt being annoyed at being called "Aunt Album".  My correspondent also said that she knew of 3 children born to Dugald and Breadalbane and said they had emigrated to Canada, c.1956.

I have tried to be as succinct as possible and no doubt have omitted something in the passing.  If there is anything you think I have missed please let me know.

Where do I fit into all of this?  I am a direct descendant of Donald and Ann McLean at Totranald.  Their son Donald (c.1771 - 1859) was my 4xgreat grandfather and eldest brother of Breadalbane.   


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« Reply #98 on: Saturday 16 April 11 18:15 BST (UK) »
I would like to thank Althea, Beg, and Lucy 2, for all the excellent research done on my behalf.

I now know who wrote the letter dated 1878 New Zealand, and have also solved the mystery of my great grand mother.

I'm delighted that I am now in touch with my two cousins in the UK that I knew 57 years ago.

Well done everyone,  :-* from me.

Cheers, Powerhouse

P.S. Am I correct in understanding that my file will be kept in the Completed section of the Website and can be accessed in the future?