McLean COMPLETED

[Thamesite2017]

Hi Beg
Yes all this info you had is the way forward and that shortened name for the sister you suggested sounded great.

If death printouts not able to be purchased then undertaker may provide answers, news papers etc

Bye
Althea

[Beg Clonrode...]

Here's some info to be going on with.

The headstone for the 1949 burial in Mangatera Cemetery in Dannevirke reads:

Great War Veteran
23028
Rfm A.H McLEAN, Rifle Brigade
Died 18 March 1949
Aged 59 years

The burial register reads:
A.H McLEAN
Buried 20 Mar 1949

Source: NZSG Cemetery Fiche F04.12
Entry 3320

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The WW1 Service Personnel CD matches the regimental number to:

Surname: MCLEAN
Given Name: Allan Hector
Regimental Number: 23028
Rank: Rifleman
Next of Kin Title: Miss A
Next of Kin Surname: MCLEAN
Next of Kin Relationship: Sister
Next of Kin Address: Runanga Greymouth

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The electoral roll preceeding the burial is 1943.
Dannevirke is in the Pahiatua electorate.

There are listings for:
McLEAN, Allan Hector - 12 Stanley Street, Dannevirke - Labourer
McLEAN, Florence Molly - 12 Stanley Street, Dannevirke - Married
McLEAN, Allan Hector (Jnr), Rifle Range Road, Woodville
McLEAN, Hazel Amelia Mary, Rifle Range Road, Woodville - Married

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The electoral roll following the burial is 1949.
Dannevirke is still in the Pahiatua electorate.

There are listings for:
McLEAN, Florence Molly - 12 Stanley Street, Dannevirke - Widow
McLEAN, Allan Hector (Jnr), Rifle Range Road, Woodville - Labourer
McLEAN, Hazel Amelia Mary, Rifle Range Road, Woodville - Married

There is no listing for Allan Hector McLEAN
There is a listing for a Margaret MACLEAN, a widow living at 12 Stanley Street, Dannevirke

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EDIT: The following three cremation record links I gave seem to no longer be linking correctly. A ghost in the machine, perhaps. Here is the cemetery search page instead.
http://www.pncc.govt.nz/ServicesAndFacilities/OnlineServices/CemeteryAndCremationSearch.aspx


There is a 1960 record of cremation for Florence Molly McLEAN at Kelvin Grove Cemetery, Palmerston North.
Cremation Record 1

There are also records of cremations for Allan Hector McLEAN in 1970 and Hazel Amelia Mary McLEAN in 1988
Cremation Record 2 and Cremation Record 3

Both Allan and Hazel are listed as having a "Book of Memories".

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An assumption made is that Allan Hector and Allan Hector (Jnr) are father and son. Not too sure of that as Allan Jnr married Hazel Amelia Mary FRANKLIN in 1932 whereas Allan (Senior) married Florence McCOLGAN or WATT four years later in 1936. And I can't find a record of birth. (AFTER THOUGHT - Although that's easily solved by requesting Allan (Senior) army service record be digitised. It will/should mention Allan Jnr as he was born in 1912)

And although the cremation records of Allan (Jnr) and Hazel Amelia list different addresses, the 1970 electoral roll for Palmerston North has them both living at the same address - 385 Botanical Road, Palmerston North. Allan (Jnr) is listed as a factory worker. Hazel Amelia is listed as married. Unfortunately there are no other McLean's listed at that address.

It's all guesswork. Caveat emptor, cave cane etc

Regards
Beg

[Thamesite2017]

Wow that will be alot of news for Powerhouse

Contacting the cemetery should bring them lots more success..assume that book of memoires is given to the family?? but they should have contact details

Bye
Althea

[Powerhouse]

Hello again everyone. Althea, Lu and Beg. It took me awhile to wade through all that information.

Thank you all very much for everything you have found out. No apologies needed, you have all been absolutely amazing with the research you have done. And you are quite right Lu they are my ancestors, not descendants! And you are quite right that seemingly irrelevant information might lead to clues that are missing, so carry on, you know what you're doing.

And the shortened name 'Albane' was used for my grandmother who was Breadalbane McLean, and that is her death that you found Beg in Scotland's People 1868-1944.  We were told that Allan McLean in New Zealnd named his daughter after her. It's because of this odd name that I'm pretty sure we are on the right track.

I will let you know what I have.
I have the Military records of Roderick Coll.  I also have his probate files containing his will and the date of his death.  In it he names his 5 children. In the probate file it also names his second wife, and their child. There is also a document signed by his second wife who names his 6 children! ??

I am still interested in what ever happened to Allan McLean Sr. and where he died. I am also interested in Allan Hector and any children he had, Breadalbane (Albane) and any children she had, and Roderick Coll's children.
I going to send all the information I have  to Althea in a private e-mail and she may share those with you both.
I will also purchase Allan Sr's. marriage certificate and Allan Hector's death certificate.

The 'Book of Memories' sounds interesting. Is that a NZ custom?
You know getting all this information now after having that letter for over 50 years and wondering what ever happened to that side of the family is quite, well it's quite moving. . . . so thakyou all very much again.

[Janette]

Hi

The book of memories is a large book in a glass case and the pages are all dated and the page is turned over each day showing who has died and been cremated on that day,the families can put a line or two of memories if they wish,

Cheers Janette

[Powerhouse]

Thank you janette, that's very interesting; not something we have in Canada.

[Janette]

The books were started so families who had had their loved ones ashes scattered had a place to go on the anniversary of their death and see the name in the book

[Thamesite2017]

Was looking to see if there was a death for an Allan McLean prior to the 1908 wedding
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c3d/

theres this one 1907 for old settler, bought out from Nuhaka, he is aged 77,
this is the one that I thought was the father of the Allan we wanted..but who knows maybe he married old

Remember we have this one death back before Amelia remarries, on the farming area where Allan and AMelia were.
I queried whether he was in fact the allan you wanted or is father..only his death cert would solve that

Bye
Althea

[Powerhouse]

Yes, thanks Althea.  Should I send away for that death certificate, or do you want to do further research?