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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 01 May 11 16:59 BST (UK) »
It sounds like a jug used to measure alcohol


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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 01 May 11 17:37 BST (UK) »

 Question: In Jame's witness statement to the Sheriff he said"I went back to my  own house with the Gil Jug and some person came in and told me that they doubled my Uncle was gone". ( copied exactly as written) What does "doubled" mean and what is a "Gil Jug"?


A gill was, as Sancti has already said, a measure of liquid, commonly associated with whisky here in Scotland. Until the metric system and the E.U. caught up with us, a quarter or a fifth of a gill was the usual measure for the selling of whisky and other spirits in public houses and hotels. Many years ago, a gill jug or jar was used to fetch whisky home in, before people could afford to buy it by the bottle. (The jar would have been supplied by the village merchant or by the Pub - I have one here that dates from about 1880, made of stoneware). So it sounds as though the Glessart folk were having a wee celebration when the dirty deed was committed, things just got a little out of hand and someone was murdered. An everyday tale of country life!
I think "doubled" could be "doubted". If someone exclaimed that "I doubt your uncle has gone", it would translate as "I feel sure your uncle is dead". That would make sense, but "doubled" makes no sense at all.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
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Scrim - Perthshire. 
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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 01 May 11 17:50 BST (UK) »
Gill jugs
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 01 May 11 17:51 BST (UK) »
The larger "Lightbody" is a 2 gill jug.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.


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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #40 on: Monday 02 May 11 13:06 BST (UK) »
Hi! Back Again
I have just finished an email to a distant cousin in Australia, I've met through genealogy. I was singing your praises and telling her about all the help you have given me. Again thanks
To Lodger the pictures are super and explain  a practise in Scotland I would never have had a clue about. The "doubled" thing makes sense the way you explained it. A weaver named John Fallow picked up William off the road and carried him to the Shearer's house. While all this was going on James was having a dust up with Reid so he never saw William being moved. I quess he thought William was just knocked out and continued to his house.Following the "Doubled" statement James must have realized this fight was more serious than he realized as he states he went to the Shearer's house to see his Uncle and seeing no sign of life in him rode to Strathhaven and brought back Dr.Craig (surgeon) who stated " life was extinct". The entire altercation took place between 7 and 7:15 in the morning.
I have saved the pictures you sent . To Sancti again thanks. for your help. However still looking for the birth of James Sinclair 29 years old as of Nov. 1841 whose father may have been a John Sinclair (no proof of that). Any lead will be followed up.
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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #41 on: Monday 02 May 11 17:21 BST (UK) »
I think "doubled" could be "doubted". If someone exclaimed that "I doubt your uncle has gone", it would translate as "I feel sure your uncle is dead". That would make sense, but "doubled" makes no sense at all.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?

That was exactly my thought too. I remember my grandmother standing out in the rain saying, 'I doubt it's raining', meaning 'I am sure it's raining', and many other similar utterances starting with, 'I doubt ....' and implying that there was absolutely no doubt at all about it. 'I doubt you'll be in trouble when your father finds out about that', was a very popular one, both to me and to my brother.
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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #42 on: Monday 02 May 11 19:42 BST (UK) »
Yes, I doubt you're spot on there Forfarian. And it was always pronounced "DOOT".
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #43 on: Monday 02 May 11 21:00 BST (UK) »
Yes, I doubt you're spot on there Forfarian. And it was always pronounced "DOOT".

Aye, that it was.
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Re: Finneston Lanark?
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 23 June 11 21:09 BST (UK) »
Afternoon All
Back again on my Sinclair "thing". It was something Forfarian said in one of his replies that got me to thinking he may be on to something. He suggested it may not have been Finnieston as the Census recorded as in Glasgow but possible a farm or perhaps a house. I have a post card from my grandfather to his daughter Lizzie dated 1909 and it is addressed to her at St. Brides, Carrickfergus. Now St. Brides is a house, but since it was known by that name no problem with delivery.
So I went into Scotlands Places and began to go through the horse tax of 1797/98 by parish. At least those I though might be close to Glassford. I did Glassford, Stonehouse, Dalserf, Hamilton, Dalziel, Bothwell and Old Monkland. I found a James Sinclair in Glassford assessed 2 shillings for his horse and the next year 2 shiilings and 3 pence for likely not paying the tax in the first place. The next bits I got re the Finnieston thing were not exact matches but in Dalziel a John Muirhead at Flimington and  John Windshaw at Foursington. In Bothwell a Mrs. Funnison at Jarriston. The other parishes not even close. So perhaps it was a farm or a house. It doesn't move the search closer but thanks to Forfarian I continue to try.

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