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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #171 on: Monday 07 March 11 02:52 GMT (UK) »
Not such a red herring, Wiggy, Stagpoole gets a passing mention here too. One battle in particular in which the 57th fought might have been a trigger for Thomas WALTON to leave the 57th Regiment for the Taranaki Mounted Volunteers.

The webmaster of the site New Zealand Wars sent me a copy of the Nominal Roll for the 57th Regiment dated 1869 (National Archives reference: WO100 Piece 31). This showed that No. 2355 Private Thomas WALTON served three years in the field in New Zealand (“1861, 2, & 3”) and by 1869 had been discharged. No discharge date was provided.

The book New Zealand Medal to Colonials conveniently lists individuals alphabetically within units which allowed me to draw some conclusions. Although WALTON had been a member of the Taranaki Mounted Volunteers (their correct title) he did not make a medal claim under that unit as he would have done had he been in action with them. So clearly he wasn’t a member of this unit at, for instance, Poutoko Redoubt (Allen’s Hill) on 2 October 1863. So presumably he must still have been in the 57th Regiment in October 1863.

Both the 57th Regiment and the Taranaki Mounted Volunteers were present at the Battle of Poutoko Redoubt (Allen’s Hill), where Ensign DOWN and Drummer STAGPOOLE of the 57th received the Victoria Cross for retrieving the body of Private FINN. Antonio RODRIQUEZ of the Taranaki Mounted Volunteers (mentioned in an earlier post) placed himself and his horse between DOWN and STAGPOOLE and the enemy while they rescued Finn’s body, and later received the New Zealand Cross for this and other acts of gallantry.

Even if WALTON wasn’t present at the battle, detailed accounts of the gallantry of DOWN, STAGPOOLE, and RODRIQUEZ would have quickly spread though the 57th Regiment. The professionalism displayed by the Taranaki Mounted Volunteers and officers such as Capt. MACE might have attracted him (and others) to join them.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #172 on: Monday 07 March 11 03:11 GMT (UK) »
Can't remember if you've listed this as some of your reading already Spades - but this is another reference you may not have seen - found under Google;  Prince Arthur, Indian Navy.    I haven't read it - just enough to see that it pertains to this subject!

http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document/1878_-_Wells,_B._The_History_of_Taranaki/CHAPTER_XXIII%3A_THE_TRUCE/p1

Right, off to get my neck beaten into shape - so I'm out of your hair for a while!

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.

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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #173 on: Monday 07 March 11 03:15 GMT (UK) »
Drummer Stagpoole was Dudley born Ireland 1838,maybe a brother to Bartholmew Stagpoole mentioned in Wiggy' post

http://www.birkenheadrsa.com/vc-dudley-stagpoole.html

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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #174 on: Monday 07 March 11 03:23 GMT (UK) »
What was the regiment doing in India?

1857-58: The Indian Mutiny
The Indian Mutiny erupted in May 1857, when sepoys rose up against the British in Meerut and then massacred all the British they could find in Delhi.
Uprisings spread throughout British India. It was estimated that less than 8,000 of nearly 140,000 sepoys remained loyal to the British. The conflicts of 1857 and 1858 were brutal and bloody, and lurid reports of massacres and atrocities circulated in newspapers and illustrated magazines in Britain.

The British dispatched more troops to India and eventually succeeded in putting down the mutiny, resorting to merciless tactics to restore order. The large city of Delhi was left in ruins. And many sepoys who had surrendered were executed by British troops.

1858: Calm is Restored in British India
American Publishing Co., 1877/now in public domainFollowing the Indian Mutiny, the East India Company was abolished and the British crown assumed full rule of India.
Reforms were instituted, which included tolerance of religion and the recruitment of Indians into the civil service. While the reforms sought to avoid further rebellions through conciliation, the British military in India was also strengthened.

Historians have noted that the British government never actually intended to take control of India, but when British interests were threatened the government had to step in.

The embodiment of the new British rule in India was the office of the Viceroy.


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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #175 on: Monday 07 March 11 04:19 GMT (UK) »
Drummer Stagpoole was Dudley born Ireland 1838,maybe a brother to Bartholmew Stagpoole mentioned in Wiggy' post

http://www.birkenheadrsa.com/vc-dudley-stagpoole.html

Cheers Janette

I read 'Drummer' as his rank - Bartholomew was a drummer - at least that's how I read
it!  Just shows - wrong again!!   ::)    :-[

Wiggy   :-\
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.

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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #176 on: Monday 07 March 11 04:23 GMT (UK) »
Transfer of Publicans' Licenses. — A court for the transfer of publicans' licenses was held yesterday, at eleven o'clock, when the Masonic Hotel was transferred from Edward Everett to Charles Gentry ; the Royal Hotel from William Wright to Joseph Porthouse ; the Miners' Arms from Joseph Porthouse to John Lichfield Newman ; and the Wakatu Hotel from John Lewthwaite to Edward Mills.

Nelson Examiner and New Zealand Chronicle, Volume XXI, Issue 20, 5 March 1862, Page 2

So not only The Ships Hotel but the Miner's Arms too...

Another red herring, the Charles Gentry mentioned is my 2gt grandfather that I was chasing on the scavenger hunt.
Sounds like one ship cameup from the South and the other around Nth. Cape down to Tiritiri-Matangi in Auckland
Reid, Coull, Sutherland,Innes. Banff, Scotland
Reed, Tullamore to Sydney, Oz
Joyce, Cork to Sydney, Oz
Havard, Pembroke
Gentry, Gt. Totham, Essex
Hatcher,Essex?
Ebden, Thorncombe, Devon
Boon, Thorncombe, Devon
Osbourne, Aveton Gifford, Devon
Eades, Stafford
Stratton, Bannockrigg, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland
de St Laurent,  Malon Normandy France

H118907 Gedmatch
A301340  Ancestry gedmatch

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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #177 on: Monday 07 March 11 04:28 GMT (UK) »
I read 'Drummer' as his rank - Bartholomew was a drummer - at least that's how I read
it! Just shows - wrong again!! ::) :-[

Wiggy   :-\

You may have got that from over the page Wiggy,just found Dudley was Bartholomew's brother

http://www.stagpoole.net.nz/dudleystagpoole.html

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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #178 on: Monday 07 March 11 04:35 GMT (UK) »
A Timeline of the 57th

http://www.stagpoole.net.nz/ireland.html

The 57Th was based in Cork, Ireland from 1846 until 1853. During these years a large number of Irishmen were recruited by the regiment

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Re: Magical Mystery Tour: The Rediscovered Life of Thomas Fellows WALTON (1833-1884)
« Reply #179 on: Monday 07 March 11 04:49 GMT (UK) »
From Discharged in New Zealand.

57th Regiment:

Regimental No: 2189
Rank: Private
Name: Bartholomew STAGPOOL
Birthplace: Kilcummin
Trade on enlistment: Labourer
Date of enlistment: 240148
Place of enlistment: AK (Auckland)
Date of discharge: 250367
Type of discharge: G (e.g. Discharged with Gratuity)
Ship: PA [e.g. PRINCE ARTHUR]

57th Regiment:

Regimental No: 2448
Rank: Private
Name: Martin STAGPOOL
Birthplace: Kilcromwell, Galway
Trade on enlistment: Labourer
Date of enlistment: 151151
Place of enlistment: WG (Wanganui)
Date of discharge: 271164
Type of discharge: C (e.g. Completion of Engagement)
Ship: SQ [e.g. STAR QUEEN]


ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL