Jane or Jean Murray

[redmond1]

I am looking for information on my Fathers Mother born abt 1893 and died 1962 in Glasgow. My Father was born in 1928 named Joseph. any help?

[JustLooking]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat 

Was Murray her maiden name?  There were 9 Jane/Janet Murray deaths in Glasgow in 1962. No Jeans. None were b. 1893. A quick age calculation (using 40 as max age and 16 as min age  in 1928) gives us a max age at death of 74 and a min age of about 50.

Of the 9 deaths, there are 4 possibles in this age range.  The nearest to 1893 was aged 67 and died in Milton. Other surname was Rae.

Do you have any idea which part of Glasgow she died in?


JL

[JustLooking]

Hi again

I found 3 possible births for your father, if his surname was that of his mother.  Do you know where he was born and if he had a middle name.


JL

[redmond1]

Hello there, thanks for the reply.  My father was born at Stobhill Hospital. I believe his mothers funeral service was at St. Aloyisios Catholic church in Glasgow.  As far as I know, he didn't have a middle name and from what I've been told his fathers name was listed as McIntosh?

[JustLooking]

Hi again 

I'm not sure that the  ones that I found are yours   


I'll draw this to the attention of Sancti and Monica  as they are knowledgeable about RC matters.


JL

[MonicaL]

Hi Redmond

Sorry, lots of questions. Where did your father's surname show as McIntosh? Have you a copy of his birth cert in 1928? There is only one entry for a Joseph M*Intosh in Lanarkshire for 1928.

Sometimes, marriage and death certs can provide additional information on parents. Have you been able to see your father's marriage and death certificates?

What's the source for your grandmother's death being in 1962? As you can see from JL's searches, nothing is quite fitting for a 1962 death with a birth year c. 1893. How have you been able to confirm this death year or is this an estimated year?

See what I mean, lots of questions!

Monica 

[redmond1]

Hello Monica, thanks for the reply. I have a copy of his condesed birth certificate showing his name as Joseph McIntosh born 1928 address of birth I looked up as Stobhill Hospital Glasgow.  I haven't found the death or marriage cert yet of his mother, trying to locate it at my mothers house where she also has my fathers long form birth certificate I am told. Perhaps the Joseph Mcintosh that you found is the correct one, is there any way you can forward that information on to me? I really appreciate the help, thank you.  I hope to have further info in the next few days.
Regards

[redmond1]

the source for the death in 1962 is just from my mothers fading memory I'm afraid, hope to see the documents in a couple of days
kind regards

[MonicaL]

You are in a period for your father's birth where certificates cannot be viewed on line on the official pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. The cut off to view birth certs on line, as images direct from the birth register is currently 1910, increasing one year every year - due to data protection.

From what you say, your mother might have some details on old documents. Good place to start  The key documents that you need to try and find would be his full birth cert, which hopefully your mother will have put away. Also his marriage cert will help you with his parents' information. This is an example of what a birth and marriage cert look like from the Scotlands People site:

Birth www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/images/famousscots/birthCharlesRMcIntosh1868.tif
Marriage www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/images/famousscots/Marriagekeirhardie.tif

As you can see, they are very informative and should include full details on parents. For a birth cert, it should include the date and place of parents' marriage. If your paternal grandparents' weren't married when your father was born, this will be a little more of a problem for you when trying to find out about them. As JL mentioned earlier, his birth entry could be either the surname of Murray or McIntosh.

If your father's mother went on to (re)marry after you father was born, her new married name may be included in your father's wedding cert which is why this is also a useful document to view.

There is no death for your grandmother (using wildcards to pick up of Jean/Jane/Janet etc) with the surnames of McIntosh and Murray, even when you open up the death years for a wider search.

....But, let's take it a stage at a time and see what documents your mother has first that would help you further with the searches 

Monica