WiggyHobbes Scavenger Hunt - Part 2

[deb usa]

okay ...all supposition ....BUT

what if the famly knew about ECG's family in England ...so during the years of his disappearance they were trying to find him and were investigating...the only place they could start would be with Edith Forsyth or perhaps the kids .....

Wiggy could you post the names and DOB of ECG's siblings so we can look for passenger lists for them hopefully arriving in Liverpool.

deb ...trying outside the box again 

[deb usa]

O M G ...we have a "who do you think you are" on ....Kim Cattrell ... we don't get them often here so I'm off to sit and watch .....

biab

deb

[Wiggy]

ECG's siblings  are:    All younger than E.C. by the way    (Only listing the live ones mind you)

Ella Constance - married Claude Irvine 1889 - child 1894 -

Frederick Archer  - married 1898 -  children 1899, 1900, 1904 and 1907.

Norman Stuart  -  married 1904 -  children 1905, 1911, 1918, 1921.

Emily May - married Charles Booth, 1895 - children 1900, 1902, 1912.

Evelyn Sarah - you can count her out - she was having children all the time here, and didn't go overseas!   I know!!   

Arthur Douglas b 1885 - was away at the war - returned home married and had children 1925 and 27.   May have looked while away, maybe?

Leila b 1887  married Alan Pye 1931 - no children - lived in NZ.

Kathleen b 1890 married Arthur Salt? date, but after 1914  - one child, Douglas don't know date yet.  Lived NSW after marriage. 

And that's it!!

Pity about Cecil R - ah well - these things are sent to try us!!      Kids arriving - I'm gone!

Wiggy 

[majm]

    CREW LISTS This snippet from A2A
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/merchant-seamen-logbooks-crewlists-after-1861.htm

2. Agreement and Crew Lists 1861 - 1938 and 1950 - 1994
In BT 99 , The National Archives holds a random 10% sample of the Agreements and Crew Lists, for the periods 1861 to 1938 and again from 1950 to 1994. For the period 1861 to 1923, they can be searched for on the Catalogue (www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue) using the ship's Official Number (obtainable from the Mercantile Navy Lists). After that date, the Catalogue gives ranges of ship's Official Numbers. See the separate section below on The National Archives' World War 2 holdings.
When the files were being selected for preservation a decision was taken on how to dispose of all those not taken by The National Archives. The National Maritime Museum took 10% and County Record Offices, took some for the period 1863-1913. The rest, approximately 70% of the Agreements and Crew Lists, 1863-1938 and 1951-1976, were transferred to the Maritime History Archive, Memorial University, St John's, Newfoundland, Canada A1C 5S7 (www.mun.ca/mha/).

Edward Cecil GAUNT b 1864, .  EC Gaunt aged 38, a fireman listed as crew on the SS Suffolk in Australian Waters in May and in June 1908. 

     ALSO  http://www.crewlist.org.uk/ NB! CLIP is confined to merchant seafarers on British registered ships for the years 1861 to 1913.The CLIP crew name index is now available online at findmypast 
Cheers  JM

[majm]

 

I am "all at sea" but the MHA number for the SS Suffolk is 115859 and there's crew agreements available from 1904 to 1927 .... AGH there's that 1927 mentioned again...  Is that a co-incidence, or is that indicating that ECG's TAS family read in one of the newspapers in 1927 that the SS Suffolk was to be scrapped etc...

Official_No:  115859
 http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=115859
1904:  E2
1906:  E2
1907:  E2
1908:  E2
1909:  E2
1911:  E2
1912:  E2
1914:  D1
1916:  E2
1918:  E2
1919:  E1
1921:  E1
1923:  E2
1924:  E1
1926:  E2
1927:  C2

Its a tad toooooooooo late for me to make much sense of that, but hopefully other RChatters will know...

Cheers,  JM
 

[Wiggy]

I've been to that list JM and that page  - I can't get beyond that page though -     

Seems as if you need to go to NA for this research - armed with ships numbers etc etc.    Also did you notice that the ship with that number is registered or built of something in London - I suppose it means registered there, as I've been told by someone that it was built in Liverpool - you or someone else.   
There is another ship also registered in 1902 which was sail and strip steam - does that mean they rejigged the same ship  - but it has a different though consecutive number!!  115860.

Anyhow I still cant get to the crew lists - don't know why.   

I am thinking that the family heard of the scrapping of that ship and began making enquiries which then had to wait for the statutory 7 years before they could proceed.  Hence the 1934 date.   Seems reasonable to me.   which suggests they knew nothing further about any of ECG's activities in UK!!    Suspect I am just repeating something which you've all deduced long ago - but there you are - (little aggy the one at the back!! - that's me!   )

Wiggy 

[majm]

 

I suspect there's a fee or charge that applies, but I am sure that I read that these crew lists are in NOVA SCOTIA ....  yep,  rescued by the Nova Scotians when Kew only wanted a 10% sample thingy ... 

Do you have any Nova Scotian contacts ..... perhaps DebsUSA may have some thoughts....

Cheers,  JM

[Wiggy]

Funny you should ask that JM -  I do as a matter of fact!!   

Bet they would bee much too busy for this sort of caper though!!    Too busy running the choirs of the county!   Don't think family history is their scene at all at all - but they might know of someone who is in this line!!

[majm]

Yep, a fee, seems like $40 (in Canadian Dollars) to start, and then a photocopy fee on top, and I can't figure out if that's $40 for each ship's file or for each year ...

Have you hunted around through newspapers etc to find names of other ships in Australian ports at same time as SS Suffolk in May & June 1908 (in case his contract with SS Suffolk finished then and he had signed on with a different ship.  

Then armed with those ships names, get their registered numbers too ... ready to get your money's worth if the fee is for a whole year !  And of course, I am suggesting you do aim to get 1908 ....  There MUST be some info written into either the Suffolk's log or the particular crews list for that voyage .... either he signed off, or he went missing, and the name of the port that happened at can help ....  

Cheers,  JM