John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?

[bruce bennett]

We have been looking at our Cole family of potters in Tottenham for many years. They began with a Daniel Cole who married a lady from Gloucestershire in 1792 and moved to London where he was a potter from at least 1808. His third son John Cole, also our ancestor, was a potter at Tottenham all his life and became a pottery owner. Many other family members were potters, in Middlesex and in Kent.
We have not confirmed Daniel's origins yet, but he may be the Daniel, son of Thomas, baptised at Chippenham in Wilts in 1768. He named his sons Daniel, Thomas and John. There seem to be a number of parallels with your family, although this may be just coincidence. Have you found the birth of your John Cole yet? Could he be a brother of our Daniel?

[geebrooks9]

Hello,  thank you very much for your reply. I have often  wondered if your Tottenham  Cole's  are related to my Cole's, but can't seem to find the birth place  of my John Cole. Have you any idea of where Daniel married in Gloucestershire? Do you know if he was a potter then, or did he follow another line of work?
I think my John Cole married a Francis Inks in St Martins, Westminster in 1798, At least three of their children including John were born in St Mary, Lambeth around the turn of the century. I next pick him up in Bristol in 1807 where he is a potter: John Cole ( Potter) and Frances take William son of Richard Elbury, Bristol Yeoman, as apprentice. Record taken from Old Bristol Potteries by W J Pountney. Page320.
Do you know if you have any association at all with Bristol?

Best wishes, Sara.

[freda94]

Hi Bruce, I can tell you when , where, and how John Cole (Master Potter, married Frances Inks 29 October 1798 St Martins in the fields London) died. He fell out of his gig while trying to rescue his dog who had jumped out and was trod upon by the horse. He was taken to the Masons Arms, Stapleton, Bristol and died there overnight from head injuries 26 June 1835. His wife Frances was with him . They had several older children born in Lambeth and Shoreditch, then they appear to have come to Bristol about 1815 or possibly earlier  when John dissolved his partnership with John Hilhouse Wilcox (one time mayor of Bristol) and Thomas Hamans Cook ( who, he appears to have named his youngest son, my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Hamans Cole, after) They were Stone-Ware Potters in Cheese Lane, St Philips Bristol. Sadly I don't know when and where he was born, or if he was related to your "Cole Family Potters" but it seems quite likely. I did find a birth for a John Cole on the IGI, born 16 January 1779, Christened 31st January 1779, St. Leonard's Shoreditch London (Father Robert, Mother Magdalene) which could be my John. Frances, Thomas and his wife Lavinia are buried together in Arnos Vale Cemetery,Bristol. Hope this is helpful.
Freda 94

[bruce bennett]

Dear Freda,

Thank you for the information and the offer of more information. Have I explained that your John Cole who married in London and moved to Bristol as a potter, has a very similar history to our Daniel Cole who became established as a potter in Islington about the same time. It seems very likely there is a connection. Daniel married An Moss at St Pancras in 1792 and had issue including a John in 1807 who was baptised at St Pancas in 1808. I will be pleased to sent a copy of all my notes if you would contact me
I would like to know as much as possible about John and Frances in the period before they moved to Bristol. Could you give me the details of baptisms of their children in London? You said that he  was already a master potter, but where did this record come from?
There is an old family story that our Coles in Islington and then Tottenham were related to Martins in Bristol, but I think that story and connections to the Coles in Bristol will be best found through the relationship in London before say 1807, and I would like to concentrate on that.
I have emailed your information to Pat Cryer who has the cole-potteries website and she too is keen to look into this further.
Best wishes,
Bruce

[geebrooks9]

Hello all, I wonder if this is John's Christening:
First name(s)    JOHN
Last name    COLE
Birth year    1776
Birth day    -
Birth month    -
Baptism year    1776
Baptism day    09
Baptism month    Jun
Parish    St Clement Danes
Father's first name(s)    Daniel
Mother's first name(s)    Elizabeth
County    Middlesex
Page    21
Record set    Westminster Baptisms
Category    Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory    Births & baptisms
Collections from    Great Britain

Westminster Archives

I know it would make him three years older than states in the newspaper article advising of his death. But quite often ages were wrong.
This record is from the Westminster set.  John married in Westminster.   Sara.