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John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« on: Tuesday 22 February 11 10:10 GMT (UK) »
Hello, I am having great difficulty tracing the marriage of my 3 x great grandfather John Cole, who was a potter. His first pottery was in George Street, St. Judes, Bristol circa 1820. in 1830 He  moved his business The Albert Pottery to St Philip's marsh until his death in 1835, when his wife Frances took over.  I know he married a Frances and they had at least 3 children Fanny / Frances? 1819 Thomas H Cole 1821 and Elizabeth 1832.
 I have been unable to find his death or birth certificate so don't know his year of birth. I also can't find a birth record for my g x 2 grandfather Thomas Henry Cole, John's son.
I know this is a difficult one, but any help would be much appreciated, Sara.
PS. I think John's father was John Hillhouse Cole.
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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 February 11 16:03 GMT (UK) »
Although in the 1841 Frances/Fanny/Elizabeth are born in County ie Glous if I have the correct 1851 Census Frances is born London.
Is that what you have found?

1851 Census
1 Coles Lane,
Bristol St Philip and St Jacob,
Gloucestershire
HO107/1954/608/18
Fances(sic) COLE, 65, Head, Widow, Potter, born London
Fances (sic) FOWLER, 35, Daug, Widow, born Bristol

It is then possible the Marriage took place c 1806-1810 in London area as Brides often married in their own Parish and other Children could have been born before Frances in 1818 in Glous.

Possible Marriage;
Frances Ann COLE, June 1846, Bedminster, 11 78
On the same page is Charles FOWLER
Possible Death for Charles March 1847, Stroud, 11 420

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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 February 11 16:11 GMT (UK) »
Maybe just a coincidence and second name is not right but worth noting;
Thomas Hamans COLE, Christened 25 February 1821, St Philip and St Jacob, Bristol, Gloucester, England.
Parents JOHN and FRANCES
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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 February 11 16:38 GMT (UK) »
Cole and Spokes were brown stone potters, in Avon street, during 1815 and 1816.  They may have been succeeded by Spokes and Bourne in 1816.  James Spokes was also in Avon Street during 1817 and 1818, although this could be John Spokes.  A John Spokes is also listed in Avon Street from 1817 and the pottery remained with the family until 1889.  Coles and Pearce are also listed in Avon Street during 1825.  A John Cole is also listed in Great George Street (1820) and St. Philips Marsh from 1830 to 1835, making brown stone and red wares.  John Cole was succeeded by Francis Cole (1836-1856).  In 1845 she insured her brown-stone and red-ware pottery, plus two nearby houses and a small tenement.  Between 1837 and 1846 Edward Hillhouse Cole took out five insurance policies on different properties.  He is described as a potter and retailer of beer, although no policy mentions a pottery.  His address is given as 22 York Street, Dings.  In 1830 John Hillhouse Cole and John Cole junior, potters, voted from St Philip's Marsh.  The entries are the same in 1832, with the addition of John Cole, victualler, Marsh (this may be a duplicate vote).  In 1835 and 1837 the victualler does not vote, but the others do.  In 1834 John Cole paid £2.8.9 duty and J Spokes paid £1.5.0.

Edward Hillhouse COLE Married Elizabeth PRITCHARD, 09 Jan 1833, St Paul, Bristol, Glous
If I have the right couple Edward and Elizabeth appear on the 1841 census both aged 25 (rounded possibly) and he is a Potter.
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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 February 11 16:59 GMT (UK) »
Was Thomas's Death Reg Dec 1867, Clifton, Glous age 46?
Then he is under Thomas Haines Cole which works sort of with the Christening I found????
So Frances could be Haines/hamans or similar.

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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 February 11 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Hello Trish, Yes this is Thomas, birth year death dates right. I have the 1841/51 census,1851 says Frances was born in London, 1841 has tick in born in this County?
Thank you very much for the information on the Potteries, well done.
I have been interested in Edward Hillhouse Cole as I think he may be Thomas's brother, as I think John Hillhouse Cole was his father, must be a family name, perhaps the maiden name of John H Cole's mother?
Are Gloucestershire records hard to research? as I haven't had much luck with this side of the family. Can't find records that normally just pop up. Do you think they may be held elsewhere?
Once again thank you for all your effort, Sara.
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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 June 11 20:42 BST (UK) »
Thomas Cole (Master Potter The Albert Pottery St Philips Marsh Bristol) was my GG Grandfather. His youngest daughter Emily Lavinia Cole married my Great Grandfather Joseph Whyatt in 1868. Thomas ( Henry/Homas/Hamans) Cole's father was John Cole who married Frances Inks at St Martins in the Fields, Westminster, London in1798. I have that marriage certificate. John and Frances were Master Potters in London and had eight children, the last being Thomas who was baptised 25th February 1821 at St Philips and St Jacobs Bristol. Hope this is helpful, I have much more information if you would like it. Freda94

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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 June 11 08:25 BST (UK) »
Hello Freda94,
I am very pleased to hear from you, and yes, I would like any information you have, would be wonderful.
Have you any records showing John and Francis were master potters in London?
I have managed to find quite a few snippings from the local Bristol papers of the time, with all sorts of information including a report on John's death. an apprentice record involving John jnr etc.
My g grandmother was Rosina, sister to Emily.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes, Sara.
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Re: John Cole Potter marriage to Frances ?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 June 11 09:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Sara
Thanks for your reply! Very exciting to find a decendant of Rosina my Great Grandmother Emily's sister.
I am very interested in finding out more about Leonora, Rosina and Emily's Mother Lavinia and her parents Frederick John Williams and Sophia Ann Williams. If you could help with any information , that would be great!
Many thanks Freda94