Firms existing in Swansea c 1919-1920

[phipps1]

The following firms had dealings with my Gt.Grandfather,Thomas Milward  (Millward) prior to his death in November 1920.
Do these firms exist in any form anymore ?
1. S.T.Lucas,Valuers & Auctioneers,Swansea,6 Rutland Street,Swansea,established 1885, valued contents of GGFs house at 1 Brunswick place,148 St.Helens Rd, Swansea  in 1919.
2. Messrs Roberts & Son.,- valued my GGFs motor car in 1921 for Estate purposes, a 4 seater Renault.
Any assistance or guidance is much appreciated.
Thank you !
phipps

[ambers]

Hi Phipps...me again

I can't find anything on S T Lucas Swansea.

I found a  R K Lucas Haverfordwest.
I gave them a bell and asked the History of the Company as it was extablished 200 years ago and I thought might be handed down .

They very kindly are going to ask the owner to go over his family Tree to see if he can find a Link with the Company you are interested in.

They will ring me back sometime to-morrow.

Ambers

[phipps1]

They very kindly are going to ask the owner to go over his family Tree to see if he can find a Link with the Company you are interested in.

They will ring me back sometime to-morrow.

Ambers

You are precious Ambers. I am very grateful to  you for making that enquiry. I look forward to getting the result of their search.
Your time and energy is so very much appreciated !
Kind reagards,
phipps

[ambers]

Hi Phipps,

Sorry, but they didn't get back to me to-day.

The nearest I can find is an Arthur Stucley Thomas Lucas, Auctioneer/Valuer in the 1901. Transcribed, says Thomas, original looks more like Tristam.

I spotted Thomas Milwards Will (Wow £49,264 17s a lot of money in 1920)
I wondered about the address ! Brunswick Place and 148 St Helens Road, was his business next door to his home.
I can only find Brunswick Street on Goggle, but Brunswick Place did exist.

Ambers

[phipps1]

Hi Phipps,

Sorry, but they didn't get back to me to-day.

The nearest I can find is an Arthur Stucley Thomas Lucas, Auctioneer/Valuer in the 1901. Transcribed, says Thomas, original looks more like Tristam.

I spotted Thomas Milwards Will (Wow £49,264 17s a lot of money in 1920)
I wondered about the address ! Brunswick Place and 148 St Helens Road, was his business next door to his home.
I can only find Brunswick Street on Goggle, but Brunswick Place did exist.

Ambers

Hi Ambers,never mind,but what you found sounds promising as the document I once saw said the firm was established in 1885.
Yes,the estate was large for the time.Sadly,my estranged Grandfather ,and his heir,my father's whack was about 5000 pounds drip fed over 55 years,only ending when the last beneficiary fell.
148 St.Helens Road is 1 Brunswick Place I believe. My GGF had a 3 storey end of the row,corner of the street  house and it was his home and his office for his engineering consulting business. I read in the Western Mail that he bought that house at auction in February 1881 for 1,260 pounds.
I was told by a neice of Lily Milward that when Lily died in that house in December 1970,it was in a hugely bad state of repair.Lily was not left the house by my GGF so she secretly bought it from the Exceutors to save face with her neighbours.
In the 1881 auction notice,from memory,the house was described as being 1 Brunswick Place,so I think it became 148 St. Helens Road later.The houses are,I think set back from the road with a small garden in front,facing the road.I was told that house is now a Solicitor's offices.
Thank you for your help and time.I appreciate it very much !
Kind regards,
phipps

[ambers]

I have just spoken to the lady, they can't find any connection to their family business.

She suggested you search: Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors via.

www.Swansea.gov.uk ...now why didn't we think of that

There is a Company called Lucas & Madley in Cardiff. It's a possibility as he came from Cardiff originally and this Company might have amalgamated over the years gaining the name Madley.
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I see what you mean about the dual address. My own road is similar with the house on the corner facing one road with side entrance on my road, it's hard to work out what the address should be
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With a Bank Manager living with her, maybe she took a leaf out of her mothers book and decided to let out to make some money....and gaining free advice. Her Will would be the answer as to how close they were, that's if he outlived her. Those houses are huge and many of the other residents let out part of them to others.

Ambers

[phipps1]

I have just spoken to the lady, they can't find any connection to their family business.

She suggested you search: Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors via.

www.Swansea.gov.uk ...now why didn't we think of that

There is a Company called Lucas & Madley in Cardiff. It's a possibility as he came from Cardiff originally and this Company might have amalgamated over the years gaining the name Madley.

Ambers

Ambers,that's great.Thank you for your wonderful assistance.You have given me a new focus.
Actually Lily was my GGFs widow.They had no children. She outlived Mr Thomas by how many years I do not know,but she did outlive him.
Lily also outlived my GGF by 50 years and 1 month.
Certainly when Lily's neice came to the house after Lily died,she says that Lily had been living in the dining room on the ground floor-had been doing it for years,had locked all the doors upstairs on the other 2 floors because she believed people were stealing from her,and it took 3 weeks to clear the house.The kitchen was overrun with rats,there was no running water,the roof was in disrepair, and so on.
I thank you so very much for your kindness.
Respectfully,
phipps

[ambers]

What a shame for a grand old house to end up in that state, poor Lily must have been struggling.
I wonder how much she had to pay the Executor to remain in her  home....must have cost her a pretty penny.

Thomas Milward appears to have connections with Bristol as I have seen two of his relatives staying on census night listed as being born Bristol.

Ambers

[phipps1]

What a shame for a grand old house to end up in that state, poor Lily must have been struggling.
I wonder how much she had to pay the Executor to remain in her  home....must have cost her a pretty penny.

Thomas Milward appears to have connections with Bristol as I have seen two of his relatives staying on census night listed as being born Bristol.

Ambers

Hi Ambers,yes, I think she lived too long and the Trust moneys dwindled and lost value.
She was a bit of a socialite according to her neice so maybe she spent above her means for too long too.
She bargained down the Executors,"The Public Trustee,London" for the car ( a Renault)probate valued at 400  pounds,getting it for 300 pounds- ,She did the same for the house, probate valued at 2,150 pound got it for much less,( I have the figure but can't find it in what papers I still have here with me), and she did the same as for the house contents that S.T.Lucas had valued at 780 pounds-she got for 716 pounds 7/6.-All bought by way of a calculated deduction from her 400 pound pa tax free allowance.
These actions soured already strained relations as between her and all the other beneficieries ,and from that time on,she was referred to as " The Lily".
Ambers,I have never seen any census returns for 1 Brunswick Place,148 St. Helens Road,and though I know my GGF bought it at auction in 1881 for 1,260 pounds,I have not been able to determine when he started using it has his own residence.In 1881,Thomas Milward owned and was living at Norton Lodge,a Georgian "Big House" at Oystermouth.
I have no knowledge of "Bristol born Milwards".Do you still have their names and the year of their census night stay ? I would like to see where the Bristol Milwards figure if possible.
I really appreciate your time on and with this.You are very kind !
Kind regards,
phipps